2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Vinny01]

I am not sure we will see any of the high end RFA’s get offer sheets. It will be interesting in the second tier though. If a team targets Bennett or Kapanen and pays them the $4.2M per it might be more than they are worth but you hate to lose that player for a 2nd round pick.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Wait, this is all part of the Flames moving to Houston now, isn't it?!

Dammit, I'd forgotten about that whole thing...

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The prices are so prohibitive teams really have little to worry about (unless they are in salary cap hell) as I feel the NHL has kind of made this something that is available for use but they really don't want teams doing it. I really like Mitch Marner but is he worth 4 x 1st round picks? I don't think so. It would have been worth it for McDavid but I can't think of many other young players that would warrant that.

i think you don't target top end guys.

$4,227,438-$6,341,152: 1st, 3rd

i'd gladly pay that for guys like Johnsson or Kapanen... There's undoubtedly a few other guys like that on the restricted list.

edit: like vinny said

[TheScorpion]

I think this is a summer for Treliving to be aggressive, and he can do it with the Leafs.

Get Tkachuk squared away quickly and then offer sheet Johnsson or Kapanen at $5 million while the Leafs are mixed up with the messy Marner talks.

[FlamesAddiction]

I wouldn't be surprised to see the Leafs trade Nylander even if it means selling low. There could be some bad blood there after the holdout and he disappointed after he joined the team. He is only 22 and could easily rebound.

Peters mentioned maybe moving Lindholm to center. I would assume that he would center the second line, in which case we would need a top 6 RW.

Having said that, we would need to move salary to make it happen.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

i think you don't target top end guys.



i'd gladly pay that for guys like Johnsson or Kapanen... There's undoubtedly a few other guys like that on the restricted list.

edit: like vinny said

If you are confident that our 1st round draft picks between 2020 and 2024 are going to be outside the top 15 or so, then I have no issue making an offer sheet.

The price is only prohibitive if your picks end up being top 5 or 10.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I think this is a summer for Treliving to be aggressive, and he can do it with the Leafs.

Get Tkachuk squared away quickly and then offer sheet Johnsson or Kapanen at $5 million while the Leafs are mixed up with the messy Marner talks.

Flames will want to get Bennett locked up in addition to Tkachuk. Not sure he is going to have $5M to throw at a RFA either?

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Flames will want to get Bennett locked up in addition to Tkachuk. Not sure he is going to have $5M to throw at a RFA either?

Agreed.

Tkachuk is at least costing 7.5 million and Bennett is likely getting around 3.5.

We don't really have a ton of cap to throw around.

Would love getting Kap as he could bring some speed to our line-up but doubt we can get it done without sending away someone.

[Itse]

I don't get why people keep seriously talking about offer sheets as if they were a thing..
They're not. There hasn't been an offer sheet signed since Flames and ROR, and there has been only one offer sheet related player transaction in the 15 year history of the cap era.

They're not a thing. Let go.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Itse

I don't get why people keep seriously talking about offer sheets as if they were a thing..
They're not. There hasn't been an offer sheet signed since Flames and ROR, and there has been only one offer sheet related player transaction in the 15 year history of the cap era.

They're not a thing. Let go.

I think it is due to the media speculation that it is going to happen is fueling the discussion. I have heard Friedman discuss it on TV and the radio plenty this season. The crop of RFA’s has likely never been better and some teams are in a tight spot cap wise to match a deal.

[Heavy Jack]

If the flames had the ability I’d sign Marner to the RFA that would cost the Flames 2 x 1st, 2nd, 3rd at the max amount for that cost; the leafs would be hard pressed to match and Marner with Tkachuk would be magic. So much would need to happen though and I just don’t see the Flames being able to add a contract like that.

Still though; if everything worked perfectly:

Somehow clear Neal from the roster
Brodie for top 15 pick + prospect
Frolik for 2nd round pick
Stone for 6th round pick
Sign key team RFA’s like Tkachuk, Bennett, Rittich
Sign Smith
Offersheet Marner 10,568,589 x 7 - 2 1sts, 2nd, 3rd

I don’t have the patience to check if the salary cap would allow for this roster but man that is deadly.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Marner
Bennett - Jankowski - Czarnik
Mangiapane - Ryan - Hathaway

Giordano - Andersson
Hanifin - Hamonic
Valimaki - Yelesin
Kylington

Rittich
Smith

Forwards can be split as well to distribute the scoring better:

Tkachuk - Monahan - Marner
Gaudreau - Lindholm - Bennett
Mangiapane - Backlund - Czarnik
Jankowski - Ryan - Hathaway

[Vinny01]

I would prefer Point to Marner if the Flames were going to throw a massive offer sheet out there.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I would prefer the Flames got bigger, not smaller.

[VladtheImpaler]

I would prefer they stopped folding in the playoffs, whatever the size.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by New Era

I would prefer the Flames got bigger, not smaller.

Im not even sure getting "bigger" is the whole answer, but it would be nice for sure.

The one thing this club has to do though?

Get tougher.

They, as a collective, are one of the softest group of players the NHL has ever seen.

A lot of that can come from within, but they need someone to lead that charge in the room and Im not sure who that might be. Maroon would have been perfect IMO, but that ship sailed at a very very friendly price.

BT needs to find a Justin Williams type guy and hope the core follows that lead.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Still though; if everything worked perfectly:
Offersheet Marner 10,568,589 x 7 - 2 1sts, 2nd, 3rd

That offer sheet would still require 4 1st round picks.

For the purposes of offer sheet compensation, offer sheets AAV are determined by taking the total $ figure and dividing it by lesser of the number of years or 5. The actual AAV for salary cap purposes are calculated the normal way.

So a 10,568,589 x 7 deal is really a $14,769,024.60 AAV for compensation and therefore 4 1sts.

The maximum any team can offersheet on a 7 year deal and only give up 2 1sts, 2nd, 3rd would be a $7,548,992.14 x 7. Which makes it easier for the original team to match.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

That offer sheet would still require 4 1st round picks.

For the purposes of offer sheet compensation, offer sheets AAV are determined by taking the total $ figure and dividing it by lesser of the number of years or 5. The actual AAV for salary cap purposes are calculated the normal way.

So a 10,568,589 x 7 deal is really a $14,769,024.60 AAV for compensation and therefore 4 1sts.

The maximum any team can offersheet on a 7 year deal and only give up 2 1sts, 2nd, 3rd would be a $7,548,992.14 x 7. Which makes it easier for the original team to match.

Wow the more you know - thanks sureLoss!

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I would prefer Point to Marner if the Flames were going to throw a massive offer sheet out there.

I agree. Point would be an awesome add in Calgary.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Im not even sure getting "bigger" is the whole answer, but it would be nice for sure.

The one thing this club has to do though?

Get tougher.

They, as a collective, are one of the softest group of players the NHL has ever seen.

A lot of that can come from within, but they need someone to lead that charge in the room and Im not sure who that might be. Maroon would have been perfect IMO, but that ship sailed at a very very friendly price.

BT needs to find a Justin Williams type guy and hope the core follows that lead.

Transplant is correct - they don't need to get bigger. Marchand isn't big. Bergeron isn't big. Toews is a normal sized guy. At 5 ft 11 200 lbs, Crosby is smaller than a large percentage of this forum.

It is the size of the fight in the dog. Johnny hasn't shown enough fight. Monahan hasn't shown enough fight. Until those two players understand that pain heals, chicks dig scars, and glory lasts forever, they're going to be round 1 cannon fodder.

Monahan could help his own cause a lot by fighting someone next October. Because right now, the league does not respect him. He wants to act like he's above the physical play, and he's not.

Bergeron has fought Blake Wheeler, Tyler Myers and Evgeni Malkin among others for his career. He hasn't burst into flame. It won't be hard to find another star player. Fight McDavid or Draisaitl. Fight someone, Sean. Show us you care.

If Monahan makes it through the next season without a fighting major, he doesn't get it and I want him gone.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by New Era

I would prefer the Flames got bigger, not smaller.

I don't care about size, i care about compete. This playoffs showed how willing our guys are to shy away from the challenges of playoff hockey.