2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Matty81]

Mangiapane is trending towards 10 goals over a full season as a rookie with 4th line ice time and no pp. Without question seeing the kind of shot he has if he goes to a bad team and gets put in the top six you have at least a 20 goal guy. But never likely to get that chance with the flames. I still think Dube is the better all around player though. It would hurt losing either.

[sureLoss]

Pierre LeBrun @PierreVLeBrun
Plan remains for Wayne Simmonds to play tonight. The points in the standings still matter to Philly. Obviously we’ll see how the trade discussions go...

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Mangiapane is trending towards 10 goals over a full season as a rookie with 4th line ice time and no pp. Without question seeing the kind of shot he has if he goes to a bad team and gets put in the top six you have at least a 20 goal guy. But never likely to get that chance with the flames. I still think Dube is the better all around player though. It would hurt losing either.

I've always liked mangiapane. There was something good in the water in Barrie for a few years. His history with Rasmus and him working through the ahl are huge positives too.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

13 M cap space for Bennett, Tkachuk and 2 goalies.. Whatever the Flames get it will be a rental. ... unless it is a goalie.

It does look really tight at first glance using your numbers. Bennett will cost less than $3M. Rittich will be around the same if they want to move forward with him. A veteran backup should be available for $1M. That leaves $6M for Tkachuk and nothing for anyone else. Thing is the Flames can move Frolik ($4.3M) and Brodie ($4.65M) to free up space. So now you have an additional $10M to play with. That is why it is so important to have a pipeline of good young players to step in and take positions from expensive mid-level players. Sky isn’t falling as bad as you portray for the budget or situation for next season. Downstream we run into some interesting challenges as our prospect pool is very thin and needs restocking.

[sureLoss]

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Not a huge surprise, but none of Hayes/McQuaid/Zuccarello will be in lineup for NYR this afternoon

[Scroopy Noopers]

Every day, 2 or 3 posters put in a bunch of effort, outline all the contracts, and show how easily the Flames can fit a top 6 forward under the cap while keeping Tkachuk.

Then 10 posters ignore that, and say “can’t you see we can’t afford this!”, by spending zero effort looking into it. It’s annoying as hell.

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by New Era

It does look really tight at first glance using your numbers. Bennett will cost less than $3M. Rittich will be around the same if they want to move forward with him. A veteran backup should be available for $1M. That leaves $6M for Tkachuk and nothing for anyone else. Thing is the Flames can move Frolik ($4.3M) and Brodie ($4.65M) to free up space. So now you have an additional $10M to play with. That is why it is so important to have a pipeline of good young players to step in and take positions from expensive mid-level players. Sky isn’t falling as bad as you portray for the budget or situation for next season. Downstream we run into some interesting challenges as our prospect pool is very thin and needs restocking.

I wonder if Brodie at the draft will get a similar return as Hamonic or Muzzin. This would solve some of the cupboard issues. With Froliks numbers this year, if he has a good playoff run, I think a team will pay something for him (even a 7th) which is better than us paying to get rid of him.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Every day, 2 or 3 posters put in a bunch of effort, outline all the contracts, and show how easily the Flames can fit a top 6 forward under the cap while keeping Tkachuk.

Then 10 posters ignore that, and say “can’t you see we can’t afford this!”, by spending zero effort looking into it. It’s annoying as hell.

No surprise that Ricardow is talking out his ass without doing the math though!

[sureLoss]

George Richards @GeorgeRichards
#FlaPanthers had Derick Brassard working on fourth line wing yesterday with Bob Boughner saying he wanted to get Jamie McGinn back into the lineup. So expectation is Brassard will be ‘scratched’ tonight and traded by the deadline.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

No surprise that Ricardow is talking out his ass without doing the math though!

You mean Debbie Downer right? Shocker.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Every day, 2 or 3 posters put in a bunch of effort, outline all the contracts, and show how easily the Flames can fit a top 6 forward under the cap while keeping Tkachuk.

Then 10 posters ignore that, and say “can’t you see we can’t afford this!”, by spending zero effort looking into it. It’s annoying as hell.

Here's the thing, those are long shots at best and hinge on about 5 different things going exactly as they list/wish.

BT has to work in reality with possibilities/probabilities that are not considered. I see none of these consider contract limits, addressing spots needing to be filled in Stockton, leaving wiggle room at the NHL level so if something else comes along there is room to accomplish it etc etc.

Of course anything can happen, but when taking a sober second look at the reality of things, considering where the team is in the standings, not knowing how this core group performs in the playoffs, not knowing how the G situation will play ouy....there is a LOT of room for reflection on some thrown together cap space/use scenario, and this place being what it is, talking about it.

It gets annoying is right.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Every day, 2 or 3 posters put in a bunch of effort, outline all the contracts, and show how easily the Flames can fit a top 6 forward under the cap while keeping Tkachuk.

Then 10 posters ignore that, and say “can’t you see we can’t afford this!”, by spending zero effort looking into it. It’s annoying as hell.

Pretty much all of that "effort" involves us trading away our #2 defenseman so forgive me if I don't think Treliving has the same designs.

Yes, there are ways we can squeeze in a top 6F within the cap and not be reckless with our defense core, but most of them involve packaging negative value contracts like Mike Stone and James Neal with picks/prospects. And the irony of that is that we ostensibly need Mike Stone to convince Mark Stone to re-sign.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Here's the thing, those are long shots at best and hinge on about 5 different things going exactly as they list/wish.

BT has to work in reality with possibilities/probabilities that are not considered. I see none of these consider contract limits, addressing spots needing to be filled in Stockton, leaving wiggle room at the NHL level so if something else comes along there is room to accomplish it etc etc.

Of course anything can happen, but when taking a sober second look at the reality of things, considering where the team is in the standings, not knowing how this core group performs in the playoffs, not knowing how the G situation will play ouy....there is a LOT of room for reflection on some thrown together cap space/use scenario, and this place being what it is, talking about it.

It gets annoying is right.

I don't agree with you at all. That being said, I respect your post snd and explanation.

Its the one line "cant afford it" posts that are really annoying and useless imo.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Pretty much all of that "effort" involves us trading away our #2 defenseman so forgive me if I don't think Treliving has the same designs.

Yes, there are ways we can squeeze in a top 6F within the cap and not be reckless with our defense core, but most of them involve packaging negative value contracts like Mike Stone and James Neal with picks/prospects. And the irony of that is that we ostensibly need Mike Stone to convince Mark Stone to re-sign.

To be devils advocate, he was our “#5” defenceman last night. Kylington, Andersson, Valimaki are taking this team by storm this season. Andersson being Giordano’s partner full-time next year does not seem crazy to me.

Giordano - Andersson
Hanifin - Hamonic
Kylington - Valimaki
Stone

That’s still quite impressive depth.

(I’m not one to undervalue Brodie though, he’s a very good defenceman, and would return a 1st and a 2nd at the draft - so if Stone can be acquired without moving one of those three defencemen, I think this is a path that improves the team)

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Pretty much all of that "effort" involves us trading away our #2 defenseman so forgive me if I don't think Treliving has the same designs.

Yes, there are ways we can squeeze in a top 6F within the cap and not be reckless with our defense core, but most of them involve packaging negative value contracts like Mike Stone and James Neal with picks/prospects. And the irony of that is that we ostensibly need Mike Stone to convince Mark Stone to re-sign.

You do realize that not everyone thinks Brodie is a top pairing dman like you do... because he is not but his value is high playing with Giordano so trade him.

[Toonage]

Worth noting the team is reportedly looking for depth LHD. Doesn't make much sense to trade Brodie away, regardless which pair he is on, when he possesses the traits they are after.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I don't agree with you at all. That being said, I respect your post snd and explanation.

Its the one line "cant afford it" posts that are really annoying and useless imo.

Don't agree at all with........reality?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I don't agree with you at all. That being said, I respect your post snd and explanation.

Its the one line "cant afford it" posts that are really annoying and useless imo.

They can afford Tkachuk. I'm not sure if they can max his term, and for sure it will be a thinner team depth wise.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by New Era

It does look really tight at first glance using your numbers. Bennett will cost less than $3M. Rittich will be around the same if they want to move forward with him. A veteran backup should be available for $1M. That leaves $6M for Tkachuk and nothing for anyone else. Thing is the Flames can move Frolik ($4.3M) and Brodie ($4.65M) to free up space. So now you have an additional $10M to play with. That is why it is so important to have a pipeline of good young players to step in and take positions from expensive mid-level players. Sky isn’t falling as bad as you portray for the budget or situation for next season. Downstream we run into some interesting challenges as our prospect pool is very thin and needs restocking.

Moving Brodie makes the Flame top priority finding a top-4 d-man that puts up 28 non-pp points and works really well with Gio. Remember Gio's last year where he was Partnered with Hamilton??

The veteran back up for 1M ??? Elliot coming off an epic playoff fail goes for 2.75.

Is the plan to go with Smith for 1M? Because that is what you get for 1M.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

To be devils advocate, he was our “#5” defenceman last night. Kylington, Andersson, Valimaki are taking this team by storm this season. Andersson being Giordano’s partner full-time next year does not seem crazy to me.

Giordano - Andersson
Hanifin - Hamonic
Kylington - Valimaki
Stone

That’s still quite impressive depth.

The Ducks are 31st in goals scored - and were without Getzlaf
The Coyotes, 28th.
and that "#5 defenseman" put up more points than Giordano and Andersson combined. Offense matters too.

Who do you truly believe Treliving wants on our top pair against top teams like Tampa, Pittsburgh or Winnipeg? Or over the course of an 82 game season during what looks clearly like two of the best years of our cup window?

That lineup you posted might look great after Brodie is a UFA and those players have actually established themselves with a ton more experience. Otherwise it's pretty obvious we'll be desperately bleeding assets looking for a rental top pair defenseman in Feb 2020 to replace what Brodie brought us. We'll probably end up trading multiple 1st for... TJ Brodie.

Not only that, but you posted a lineup in which Valimaki is playing his off-side, which Peters doesn't like as he's from the Babcock school of strongly preferring lefty-righty pairings.