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[WhiteTiger]

Go Flames go!

[BigErnSalute_16]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

See the biggest issue with Czarnik IMO has been his lack of a fit on a line, rather than a lack of skill.

He hasn't been able to work with Ryan as his center, because the line would end up being collectively too undersized. We saw this play out the same way for Dube as well. Mangiapane fit because he's stockier than the other two.

He hasn't been able to work with Backlund as his center, because that line has such heavy defensive responsibility.

Most of his success last year came on a line with Bennett and Jankowski, but Janko was our worst center 5v5 by far last year. I was strongly advocating Bennett at 3C and still am, as I think this would get the most out of Czarnik.

Could Czarnik work with Gaudreau and Monahan? They defintely have less responsibility than thr Backlund line, so possibly. You do end up undersized on the wings which might make breakouts difficult, but it's worth experimenting with. Pittsburgh pulled it off a few years ago with Sheary-Crosby-Guentzel.

But the line I'd most like to see for Czarnik's positives to outweigh his negatives would be Mangiapane - Bennett - Czarnik.



I think Czarnik is a strong forechecker.

He's not a pure two way player, but neither were Hudler or Ferland.

I am also on the Bennett to centre boat but Ryan was so effective last year I'd rather just go Mang - Ryan - Bennett. If they were to go Mangiapane - Bennett - I would still prefer to see Dube in the other spot over Czarnik. I have a very had time finding a spot for him.

[Johnhitbox]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I watched last time on an ipad and it was fine.

Same. Apart from a couple audio hiccups, the feed was decent.


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[Mitt31]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

8 d-men.

Will Gio, TJ, or Hamonic see ice time in the third period?

I’m sure TJ will get lots of looks in the third as I’m sure they will be paying close attention to him and wanting to showcase him for a trade

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Johnhitbox

Same. Apart from a couple audio hiccups, the feed was decent.


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For you (and others who had a good stream)

Were you watching on Facebook or the Flames site? Same feed but wonder if there was a difference in stream quality?

That or everyone else has super seeing and I need my eyes checked.

[topfiverecords]

I watched on my TV and the quality was fine.

[Toonage]

#### it, I'm booking an eye exam.

[Monahammer]

I was hoping to see Mangiapane in this game. I hope his hold out didn't damage his opportunity too much- it's his own fault, but the flames would be much better if he built on the end of his last season and saw success early.

[868904]

Originally Posted by BigErnSalute_16

I am also on the Bennett to centre boat but Ryan was so effective last year I'd rather just go Mang - Ryan - Bennett. If they were to go Mangiapane - Bennett - I would still prefer to see Dube in the other spot over Czarnik. I have a very had time finding a spot for him.

I'm beginning to think that Jankowski is better off on the wing.

He's not great on faceoffs;
He doesn't have good puck protection and possession skills;
He's not the fleetest of foot;
He's not particularly competitive.

What he does have is a great shot, which I think he'd be able to use it more if he weren't the focal point of the line as a centreman. Like if he could just float into a scoring area and receive a pass from a centreman.

I think Bennett is probably a better centre than Jankowski for all those reasons listed above. There is some concern that you lose some of Bennett's forecheck and hitting as a centre, but this didn't stop Mike Peca from being an effective centreman.

[Johnhitbox]

Originally Posted by Toonage

For you (and others who had a good stream)



Were you watching on Facebook or the Flames site? Same feed but wonder if there was a difference in stream quality?



That or everyone else has super seeing and I need my eyes checked.

iPad, using safari on the flames website. Nothing special. As long as your connection was decent, it should have been fine.

Fixed for the visually impaired.


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[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Toonage

For you (and others who had a good stream)

Were you watching on Facebook or the Flames site? Same feed but wonder if there was a difference in stream quality?

That or everyone else has super seeing and I need my eyes checked.

Flames site for me.

[Toonage]

Appreciate the feedback. Must be an issue on my end but everything else streams ok. Oh well. I will survive.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Appreciate the feedback. Must be an issue on my end but everything else streams ok. Oh well. I will survive.

FWIW my internet at home is usually good and I have a brand spankin' new iPad.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by 868904

I'm beginning to think that Jankowski is better off on the wing.

He's not great on faceoffs;
He doesn't have good puck protection and possession skills;
He's not the fleetest of foot;
He's not particularly competitive.

What he does have is a great shot, which I think he'd be able to use it more if he weren't the focal point of the line as a centreman. Like if he could just float into a scoring area and receive a pass from a centreman.

I think Bennett is probably a better centre than Jankowski for all those reasons listed above. There is some concern that you lose some of Bennett's forecheck and hitting as a centre, but this didn't stop Mike Peca from being an effective centreman.

I think Jankowski may be better on the wing as well, but not because Bennett would be a better centreman. I don't think Bennett has shown the vision or puck distribution to be a particularly good centre. Would be happy to be wrong going forward, but he seems best suited on the wing, crashing and banging on the forecheck and knocking in a few rebound goals.

Jankowski to the wing if they are able to move Lindholm to centre. Failing that, Jankowski as 4th line centre is fine. He might show some improvement on face-offs and overall offence, but I am certainly not counting on it.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by 868904

I'm beginning to think that Jankowski is better off on the wing.

He's not great on faceoffs;
He doesn't have good puck protection and possession skills;
He's not the fleetest of foot;
He's not particularly competitive.

What he does have is a great shot, which I think he'd be able to use it more if he weren't the focal point of the line as a centreman. Like if he could just float into a scoring area and receive a pass from a centreman.

I think Bennett is probably a better centre than Jankowski for all those reasons listed above. There is some concern that you lose some of Bennett's forecheck and hitting as a centre, but this didn't stop Mike Peca from being an effective centreman.

Too add to that ... I've wondered for a while if the reason Jankowski excels on the PK is due to the structure and definition of being in a box. If so then playing his wing would be a better fit. I think he struggles on the reads to play center.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I can't agree on the first one. Czarnik's biggest weakness to me is a lack of will to play in dirty areas, including the corner. When he actually does it, he can be effective - I've seen it too. But he doesn't do it very often.

Hudler was an OK forechecker for his size and speed. Ferland was all about the forecheck, at least the phsyical aspect. But more to the present point, the top line had its best year ever when Lindholm was added, because he is a dog on bone forechecker, and he provided defensive responsibility on the backcheck.

I see Dube is on the top line tonight and, to me, he is a lot closer to Lindholm in style than Czarnik is.

I agree; Czarnik is great in the pre-season but becomes a perimeter player when the going gets tough.

[dino7c]

Facebook stream looked better than the Flames site for me...cast from PC to 75" TV

I thought it looked okay until I flipped over to the Victoria game on cable, looked a billion times better.

Calgary game was watchable though, beggars can't be choosers I guess

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

I agree; Czarnik is great in the pre-season but becomes a perimeter player when the going gets tough.

He had good moments during last season...problem is consistency, same is most young players. Was one of the better players in game 5 (biggest game of the season)

Not sure why some are so quick to dismiss him, prime candidate to be one of those guys who becomes really good some place else if we get rid of him.

[bubbsy]

pretty big audition nite for Dube and Phillips.

[pepper24]

Looking forward to seeing Dube on the top line. Hopefully over next few seasons he's a top 6 winger. Would give the Flames some really good options at using Lindholm at center if him, Mangiapane, Bennett etc can find a way to the top 6.