The Tesla Thread

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by peter12

No, it's actually almost identical - higher depending on the state, actually. That number also includes motorcycle miles, which greatly inflates the mean.

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/ge...state-overview

It was 132 million miles until the first death, that does not necessarily mean a rate of 1 death per 132 million miles, with a sample size of 1 the true rate could be 1 death per 50 million miles or 1 death per 1 billion miles or more who knows.

From the sounds of it the semi driver was "at fault" for attempting to cross the highway unsafely, however, it was a 100% complete failure of the autopilot system to not recognize this and apply the brakes to avoid the accident because to be blunt, that's the whole point of the system.

The good news stemming from this accident and IMO the big thing that sets automated driving apart from human driving is a small army of Tesla engineers are going to rip apart the car find out why it happened and figure out how to make sure it won't happen again and push it out to all cars on the road. Whereas we humans are just as likely to make the same stupid mistakes over and over, like say pulling out across the highway when it's not safe to do so.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by zamler

Tesla is obviously not going to be profitable currently when they are sinking everything into their Gigafactory and the Model 3.

From their financial reports, Tesla isn't profitable because the gross profits from selling their cars end up being eaten by the expenses of selling their cars, ie having to pay for retail and service operations.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Dan02

...however, it was a 100% complete failure of the autopilot system to not recognize this and apply the brakes to avoid the accident because to be blunt, that's the whole point of the system.

How do you know hitting the brakes would have avoided the collision? Could have caused vehicles to slam into the Tesla causing more carnage. A different section of the truck could have sheered off the roof. Things are hardly as simple as autopilot didn't activate the brakes. It could be that but without video and studying the telemetry from the Tesla we don't know.

Either way the driver was ultimately at fault cars with these auto drive systems make it clear you are required to pay attention and be ready to assume control at any time. Also the more prevalent auto drive becomes the more accidents and deaths will be attributed to the systems because they are not perfect and never will be.

[Violator]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Almost as if that's why you don't see car start ups...Ever.

If Tesla can put together a vehicle line up that competes at multiple price points, they will be around for a long time (hint: that's what they're doing)

And, they already have the best selling luxury sedan.

Tesla needs every one of those sales to stay afloat in reality they need five to ten times those sales.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Violator

Tesla needs every one of those sales to stay afloat in reality they need five to ten times those sales.

Yes, but isn't that true of already every start up entry into an established market, especially cars? And do you think that's their goal market?

The point is only that it shows demand for what they offer. The demand is very clearly there

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Yes, but isn't that true of already every start up entry into an established market, especially cars? And do you think that's their goal market?

The point is only that it shows demand for what they offer. The demand is very clearly there

Tesla was founded in 2003, I think a 13 year old company has graduated from being a "start up"

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

Tesla was founded in 2003, I think a 13 year old company has graduated from being a "start up"

Any company with high growth potential is still considered a start up.

Look at release timelines of other car companies. Ford was formed in 1889 and the Model T came out in 1909.

[peter12]

So clearly there is a demand for Teslas in the luxury market. That means nothing. That is not a company's bread & butter. It is where they showcase their premium design and technology.

The money is in the masses. Tesla is struggling to meet luxury car demand right now. They have huge problems with scale, and financing. They have engaged in morally questionable activity to shore up their weaknesses there. They are untested, massively untested.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Any company with high growth potential is still considered a start up.

Look at release timelines of other car companies. Ford was formed in 1889 and the Model T came out in 1909.

No, Ford was founded in 1903, and it only took them six years to produce a vehicle that was cheap enough to be purchased by the workers who built it. Ford also started making money as soon as it was founded, and increased investor profits massively until the production of the Model T.

Detroit Automobile Company was founded in 1899, but went out of business in only two short years.

[HotHotHeat]

From Wikipedia...

Henry Ford built his first automobile, which he called a quadricycle, at his home in Detroit in 1896. His initial foray into automobile manufacturing was the Detroit Automobile Company, founded in 1899. The company foundered, and in 1901 was reorganized as the Henry Ford Company. In March 1902, after falling out with his financial backers, Ford left the company with the rights to his name and 900 dollars.

Originally Posted by peter12

No, Ford was founded in 1903, and it only took them six years to produce a vehicle that was cheap enough to be purchased by the workers who built it. Ford also started making money as soon as it was founded, and increased investor profits massively until the production of the Model T.

Detroit Automobile Company was founded in 1899, but went out of business in only two short years.

This post is basically made up facts. Actual timeline here.

Detroit Automobile Company
Fate Reorganized
Successor Henry Ford Company
Founded August 5, 1899
Defunct November 20, 1901

I'm not sure it could be more clear that Henry Ford was working towards the Model T for longer than six years.

So clearly there is a demand for Teslas in the luxury market. That means nothing. That is not a company's bread & butter. It is where they showcase their premium design and technology.

Signed,
Apple Inc.

Here is an article highlighting other 'car startups'. Most on the list have been around roughly as long as Tesla, and still are designing prototypes.

http://www.autotrainingcentre.com/bl...es-watch-2016/

So what exactly are you getting at? Just seems like you endlessly are willing to take the anti-Tesla argument.

[polak]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Signed,
Apple Inc.

Poor example. Apple didn't finally stabilize with their high end Macs or Desktops. They finally got a steady market share thanks to the iPod. Their cheap product for the masses. Then came the iPhone and then they were finally a popular choice for the big ticket items.

[peter12]

This post is basically made up facts. Actual timeline here.

Yeah, I am sorry, but how were my facts made-up? They mirror your timeline.

I'm not sure it could be more clear that Henry Ford was working towards the Model T for longer than six years.

Maybe from an engineering perspective. Everything else, no. As I've said before, this isn't about engineering, it's about scale. Ford got the economic scaling right very quickly.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by polak

Poor example. Apple didn't finally stabilize with their high end Macs or Desktops. They finally got a steady market share thanks to the iPod. Their cheap product for the masses. Then came the iPhone and then they were finally a popular choice for the big ticket items.

Exactly. Apple was a niche company when all they made were personal computers. They are at the point now where they make a lot of money with data.

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by peter12

Yeah, I am sorry, but how were my facts made-up? They mirror your timeline.

Sorry, got the dates messed up.

[peter12]

When you have a falling out with your investors, it normally means... never mind.

[Violator]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Yes, but isn't that true of already every start up entry into an established market, especially cars? And do you think that's their goal market?

The point is only that it shows demand for what they offer. The demand is very clearly there

people buy luxury vehicles as a status symbol like the Tesla its something that is relatively new thus the demand and they only sold that many because they produce more than those other brands.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Violator

people buy luxury vehicles as a status symbol like the Tesla its something that is relatively new thus the demand and they only sold that many because they produce more than those other brands.

? That's simply not true. You can argue the company's vision isn't realistic, but you've got it all wrong on the reason people buy them

[Violator]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

? That's simply not true. You can argue the company's vision isn't realistic, but you've got it all wrong on the reason people buy them

Ill agree with you

i lost my train of though half way through.

[peter12]

Tesla cuts prices for second time this year due to poor sales.

On Sunday, Musk tweeted that he planned soon to publish part two of his “top secret Tesla masterplan,” prompting widespread speculation that he might reveal more details about a possible Tesla-SolarCity merger.

This guy is a grade-A flim-flam artist.

On Wednesday, Barclays analyst Brian Johnson gave Tesla a D grade – just above failing – for financial stewardship, noting that Musk’s original 2006 masterplan “dug a $4.2-billion hole” for the company. Johnson reiterated the bank’s $165 share price target and “underweight” rating.

What an excellent company.

Tesla said on Wednesday a new version of the Model X crossover, the 60D, will be priced from $74,000, $9,000 less than the Model X 75D. Equipped with a 60kWh battery, the 60D has less torque and a shorter range between charges than the 75D.

But they promised that the technology could be scaled! Free charging stations everywhere! Well, maybe not free.

[monkeyman]

Didn't see it posted, but Tesla also ended their buyback guarantee on vehicles sold after July 1st.