Arena Negotiation Discussion v2

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1382466417468051460

[Mull]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1382466417468051460

Really interested in the Flames commenting on their rational, as they sure look greedy.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Nsd1

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/mobile/cs...urce-1.5387513



New mayor and council this year, CSEC might as well hold out and wait for a more billionaire friendly municipal government.

Of course they want more money. I think a big issue is removing CMLC as project manager. They have consistently done great work in the city and have made a lot of projects with citizens in mind. I would not trust the flames or any of their recommended developers touch this project if taxpayer monday is involved

[Joborule]

Without context in why they want those asks, and what the city may be asking for in return, don't have much of an opinion on those requests except for the CMLC one. Unless CSEC is going to become the owner of the arena rather than the city, that is a request that I balk at. CMLC should be the project manager to ensure this is best for the district as a whole. Unless for some reason they are being completely unreasonable for the operational aspect of the venue itself for the Flames.

[Flame On]

It almost looks like they through 5 random things they wanted in demands, but maybe they really only are interested in one of those.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Without context in why they want those asks, and what the city may be asking for in return, don't have much of an opinion on those requests except for the CMLC one. Unless CSEC is going to become the owner of the arena rather than the city, that is a request that I balk at. CMLC should be the project manager to ensure this is best for the district as a whole. Unless for some reason they are being completely unreasonable for the operational aspect of the venue itself for the Flames.

Maybe the CSEC got the final contract and saw the city was paying CMLC $70M and weren't happy. Knowing cost inflation by management companies in government spending it wouldn't be a big surprise.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Omg someone mentioned the library again.

Do we all drink now?

You know, allowing people to get drunk at the library for $13.25 a beer is a great way to recoup some tax dollars...

[Parallex]

Three of those are complete non-starters (and they'll have to give up something to get the other one). Like just a flat "no"... not up for debate, not negotiable, Don't bother asking again.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

It’s not going to drop any time in the next several years

Wow, you can see the future! Quick, give me the winning Lottomax numbers! Nobody has a damn clue what the market on anything will be for the next several years, too many variables.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Maybe the CSEC got the final contract and saw the city was paying CMLC $70M and weren't happy. Knowing cost inflation by management companies in government spending it wouldn't be a big surprise.

I have no idea how CMLC charges, but they are a wholly owned subsidiary of the city.

[Matty81]

This being a flames centric forum does anyone have any insight as to why the flames would be asking for more at this stage when a deal already appeared to be done?

Isn't there a huge risk to the flames that the city will seek some kind of out given the economic downturn if they hesitate or start asking for more now?

On face value it doesn't seem very smart, from an optics or strategic perspective but I am a totally laypers on these kinds of projects. Take the money already on the table and run!!

[The Familia]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Man, I missed when Regina passed us as a world class city. It wasn’t in the news

Never claimed Regina is world class. Simply made an observation that they are at least trying to better their city and move towards becoming more “world class.” I hate the term world class by the way as there are so many metrics to judge a city. Regardless, they are providing amenities to attract and/or keep people in the city. Calgary is doing everything to push people away.

[Muta]

They only want $70M? Pffft, pocket change, give it to them. At least we'd still end up with something. The UCP gave away $1.3 billion more than that and got nothing in return to show for it.

[Mazrim]

Of course the Flames want CMLC removed as project managers - they're probably not used to people actually saying no to their demands. It would be a big mistake to remove them from the project.

[Flamenspiel]

nm

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1382466417468051460

So, does an agreement no longer mean anything in this day and age or what?

Because I believe they came to one.

No backsies after the pen hits paper, CSEC....

[direwolf]

I thought a deal was already in place? WTF kind of bulls*** are the Flames trying to pull here?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

It's been a while since I looked at the deal structure but as a season ticket holder I am certainly prepared to pay additional user or license fees.

In a perfect world there would be no public funds involved but that kind of deal is not practical here.

If by not practical you mean billionaire ownership group would much rather the public pay for their toy that allows them to bring in much more revenue then them pay for it themselves, then you're correct, I guess.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by jayswin

If by not practical you mean billionaire ownership group would much rather the public pay for their toy that allows them to bring in much more revenue then them pay for it themselves, then you're correct, I guess.

Are you singling our our ownership group? So the model that’s been in place for other teams/cities should not apply to our owners because why?

[calgarygeologist]

What does "control over traffic around the new rink" mean exactly? How does that benefit the Flames? Are they looking for the ability to shut down surrounding roads for outdoor game day events or something like that?