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Old 11-05-2018, 03:49 PM   #341
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Sergei Bobrovsky will be close to 31 years old when his current contract expires ($7.425M AAV with Full NMC).

His stats averaged over the last 2 seasons:
64 GP, 39 W, 20 L, 3 OTL, 1,924 SA, 143 GA, 2.24 GAA, 1,781 SV, .926 SV%

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How long of a term and how much of an AAV would you offer?
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Old 11-05-2018, 03:51 PM   #342
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"League average goaltending" is usually not good enough to get you out of the first round most years. And certainly not enough to win it all.

Just because one team once won a cup with Niemi doesn't mean it's to be regularly attempted. Usually teams win because Jonathan Quick, Tim Thomas, Matt Murray, whomever, decides to stop letting in pucks.

You need a guy who can consistently give you .920. Period.
I don't disagree with anything you are saying, but that is not the same thing as asserting "a team is only as good as its goalie." This is the only point I was countering.
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Old 11-05-2018, 03:53 PM   #343
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What about Hank from NYR? I get he's old but prying him out of NYR shouldn't cost a kings ransom until a good UFA goalie hits the market or Calgary can accommodate a bigger trade.
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Old 11-05-2018, 03:56 PM   #344
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What about Hank from NYR? I get he's old but prying him out of NYR shouldn't cost a kings ransom until a good UFA goalie hits the market or Calgary can accommodate a bigger trade.
By all counts Lundqvist will not waive his NTC to play outside of NY. And moreover, because he is 36-years-old it makes little sense for the Flames to pursue him in a trade.
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Old 11-05-2018, 04:32 PM   #345
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Old 11-05-2018, 04:46 PM   #346
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Robin Lehner is at 92.8% on the season. He's a UFA (again) this summer.
He has a career 91.6%, much of which from being on poor teams. 27 years old.

He's someone who the Flames obviously should have been interested in this summer.
Hindsight is 20/20, but many of us with foresight wanted the Flames to sign Lehner.

The Islanders will likely want to keep him around, but who knows.
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Old 11-05-2018, 05:01 PM   #347
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Sergei Bobrovsky will be close to 31 years old when his current contract expires ($7.425M AAV with Full NMC).

His stats averaged over the last 2 seasons:
64 GP, 39 W, 20 L, 3 OTL, 1,924 SA, 143 GA, 2.24 GAA, 1,781 SV, .926 SV%

Assumptions:
Bobrovsky reaches UFA.
The Flames are able to clear enough Cap Space to afford him.

How long of a term and how much of an AAV would you offer?
6 years $60M.
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Old 11-05-2018, 05:02 PM   #348
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Rask has great career numbers, on a down year. Being outperformed by Halak this season, so maybe could be had on the cheap?

They'd need to retain a million or so to make it fit.

Rask at 6 million for Smith++ (Smith is just for salary purposes, having negative value, so the ++ would have to be the value).
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Old 11-05-2018, 05:05 PM   #349
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6 years $60M.
No way would I pay Bob 10 million a season for that long. He is a great goalie but that is way too much cap tied up in him. Not only that, but that upsets the internal salary cap going forward. It's also taking away from being able to sign more forward or defensive depth.
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Old 11-05-2018, 05:08 PM   #350
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Rask has great career numbers, on a down year. Being outperformed by Halak this season, so maybe could be had on the cheap?

They'd need to retain a million or so to make it fit.

Rask at 6 million for Smith++ (Smith is just for salary purposes, having negative value, so the ++ would have to be the value).
This is the same situation as Nashville. Why on God’s green earth would they want to trade Rask when they are a cup contender?
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Rask's last three seasons have been average and he's off to a slow start. He could return to past form, but it's becoming increasingly unlikely.
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This is the same situation as Nashville. Why on God’s green earth would they want to trade Rask when they are a cup contender?
Nashville not wanting to trade Saros has nothing to do with being a contender. That being said, it's news to me that Boston is considered a contender.


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Rask's last three seasons have been average and he's off to a slow start. He could return to past form, but it's becoming increasingly unlikely.
Rask is noted for having slow starts, not unlike Kiprusoff.
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No way would I pay Bob 10 million a season for that long. He is a great goalie but that is way too much cap tied up in him. Not only that, but that upsets the internal salary cap going forward. It's also taking away from being able to sign more forward or defensive depth.
The Flames weren't hamstrung by paying Kipper $5.83M, or 11% of the cap. They won't be discernibly hindered by paying Bobrovsky 13% of it. So they don't get to spend $3M on a 0.5 WAR forward every July 1.

This group's window is open now. They have 4 years to win it all, or it isn't happening. There's one thing missing. Pay the freight. If it blows up, it blows up, but at least they tried.
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Nashville not wanting to trade Saros has nothing to do with being a contender. That being said, it's news to me that Boston is considered a contender.




Rask is noted for having slow starts, not unlike Kiprusoff.
They’re very similar situations actually. Nashville has two solid goalies locked up for the next few years. Boston is in the same position now that Halak is playing well. So why trade from a position of strength when you need that strength for the playoffs? For the record, Boston is currently sitting 4th in the east and 3rd in their division. They have one of the best lines in hockey with solid defence and goaltending. They’re a contender.
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Old 11-06-2018, 04:13 PM   #355
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Nashville not wanting to trade Saros has nothing to do with being a contender. That being said, it's news to me that Boston is considered a contender.




Rask is noted for having slow starts, not unlike Kiprusoff.
Lots of people thought Boston was a contender last year (especially CP in the Boomer/Warrener draft) and they haven't lost anyone of significance (Nash was addition by subtraction IMO). Chara is a year more ancient, and so is Rask. Halak was a nice backup replacement for Khudobin.
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No thank you to Rask. I don't think it would take long for all of us to turn on him too. My dad and uncles are Bruins fans and can't wait until he's gone.
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Old 11-08-2018, 09:00 AM   #357
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So lots of ideas in this thread, but what is the best strategy?


Option 1: ride out the current tandem with Rittich taking the lead for 2/3 games and see what happens

Option 2: Big game hunting - try to get Bob (with extension). Will result in loss of assets which the team cannot really afford and create a cap crunch next year.

Option 3: Seek a band-aid solution - Schneider, Howard, Anderson, Halak. Goalies nearing the end of their career and presently acting as backups or 1Bs. Won't cost a lot and could stabilize the team through this season.

Option 4: Seek undervalued or blocked assets - Lehner, Dell, Grubauer, Jarry. Goalies entering their peak...may cost a bit but potential to be a solution for years to come.


Knowing Treleving, he will probably go with Option 1 until an opportunity appears for Option 4 closer to the deadline. We can dangle Jankowski or Killington (who is also blocked on the LD) plus a salary dump (Stone, Smith).

If we are forced to stick with Option 1 for the season, we won't make it far. Hopefully this off-season we can pick up Talbot.
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Old 11-08-2018, 09:03 AM   #358
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With the up coming back-to-back, I'd like to see Rittich start the first one and if he falters... have Jon Gillies at the ready.

As for Smith, idk, trade, waivers, conditioning stint, buy-out?

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With the up coming back-to-back, I'd like to see Rittich start the first one and if he falters... have Jon Gillies at the ready.

As for Smith, idk, trade, waivers, conditioning stint, buy-out?
You know Gillies has worst stats in the AHL than Smith does is the NHL right?
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You know Gillies has worst stats in the AHL than Smith does is the NHL right?
Yes, I do know that.

At least this way the Flames are developing a potential goalie of the future and not wasting time on someone who is on their way out.

It seems like the lesser of two evils, lol, continue to play and expect the same of Smith or give Gillies a crack it.
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