2021 Formula 1 Season

[BoLevi]

Lewis controller disconnects, and max gets a penalty. Typical FIA

[FLAMESRULE]

One other thing that I've railed against in the past is the completely idiotic red flag procedures in F1. If the race is halted there should be no work allowed on any of the cars. If you want, or need too, then you can but you go to the back for the restart.

It's just so dumb and can negate any previous strategy calls.

[Bagor]

What exactly happened regarding Lewis not being aware that Max had to give the place back?

The race director informed RB first.?
Mercedes were informed but didn't communicate it to Lewis?
Mercedes were informed later?
There was a miscommunication/misunderstanding between the race director and Mercedes?

There was a bit of a heated exchange between the two after the crash with the RD saying something like he could only do one thing at a time?

[FLAMESRULE]

@Bagor my understanding was that RD was talking to Bono when the incident happened. Sounds like Merc had little/no warning that Max was gonna give the spot back (by parking it in the middle).

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Lewis got the message right as he hit Max.

https://streamable.com/43m2k2

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by FLAMESRULE

One other thing that I've railed against in the past is the completely idiotic red flag procedures in F1. If the race is halted there should be no work allowed on any of the cars. If you want, or need too, then you can but you go to the back for the restart.

It's just so dumb and can negate any previous strategy calls.

I’m ok with tire changes. Repairing damaged cars seems a bit extreme.

To me, it’s no different in negating strategy calls than pitting under vsc or sc. Although a lot of people wish F1 didn’t allow that either.

[dammage79]

RB shot themselves in the foot too putting the mediums on Verstappens car as well. They were never going to hold for the rest of the race. Hell, the mediums were gone with 5 laps to go and about 7 or 8 yellow flag laps saving grip. You're never going to win two gambles in a row in one race. They won the 1st gamble getting the red flag after Schumakers accident. Not sure why the didn't stick with the Hard tire.

[Ironhorse]

Probably wanted the extra grip from the medium tire on the 2nd restart after he was bumped to third behind Hamilton and Ocon. That part of the gamble paid off...

[FLAMESRULE]

Alrighty...updated standings after the poopshow that was the Saudi GP...

Spoiler!

Congrats to 3thirty and DoubleK for both getting 8/10 and 4 correct slots.

DoubleK extends his lead in the overall over Btimbit by 4pts to a commanding 16pt lead. You also easily win the the most correct picks unless there's a Miracle at Yas next weekend.

TimSJ has an outside shot at 2nd, as he trails Btimbit by 6pts. In the event of a tie, we go to correct slotted, then correct top 10, then who I like more. Lol.

But the real heroes are myself and Fuzz who currently have the most correct Top 10 and are 7th and 11th respectively...that is true skill. To bad there's no prize other than a deep sense of pride...

[FLAMESRULE]

What the prizes are...plus the trophy that Agulati has.

Originally Posted by FLAMESRULE

Yeah, when Leclerc doesnt even start and Bottas is, well, just Bottas it throws a spanner into the picks. Lol.

But in more exciting news...I decided on prizes for this year!! As usual we can let 1st place (most points) get first choice of one prize plus the trophy (from Agulati). Second place will get the other one. There was a minor price difference between the two ($10). I didnt get anything for most correct picks since F1 stuff is $$. Hoping one of us can get too a race next year to grab some gear like the Lauda hats.

Forgot to remind anyone, but if you have a shot to get a prize and havent put in the $10...I'll keep it open to the end of Baku race weekend. I'm short $10...lol.

Race used 2005 7th gear coaster/paperweight from BMW Williams (Webber + Heidfeld)

Spoiler!

Race used 2014 suspension bolt cufflinks from Williams (Massa + Bottas )

Spoiler!

[KelVarnsen]

I kinda hope that Nico Rosberg makes a surprise return this weekend which results in him taking out both Max and Lewis. All while Crofty screams "bah gawd that's Rosberg"

[speede5]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I’m ok with tire changes. Repairing damaged cars seems a bit extreme.

To me, it’s no different in negating strategy calls than pitting under vsc or sc. Although a lot of people wish F1 didn’t allow that either.

Difference is you have to leave the track to pit and the crew has to work at race pace. So there's at least some variables in pitting under VSC/SC. Under red there is zero risk in changing the tires and you are getting a completely free stop. Nascar has it right on this. Can't even touch the car til the red is off. JMO.

[FLAMESRULE]

And thats my big beef Speede5. The point of a red flag is that the "racing" has been stopped and therefore so should all work on the cars.

I also think the VSC's with gap control are stupid (I do understand the reason for them). But in the interest of spicier action I would just use a VSC but have the cars bunch up behind the leader again with a rolling start at the start/finish line. Same as NASCAR/IRL.

More offseason debate topics anways...

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I’m ok with tire changes. Repairing damaged cars seems a bit extreme.

To me, it’s no different in negating strategy calls than pitting under vsc or sc. Although a lot of people wish F1 didn’t allow that either.

This is quite a polarizing debate. I like what the World of Outlaws does. You can do whatever the F you want but you tag the tail.

It absolutely should not be a free tyre change, but also shouldn't be a closed red a la Nascar. My thought being you want as many cars to continue as reasonably possible.

All restarts should be at the start/finish line. Can't overtake until you cross the line.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I don’t mind the idea of stopping work on cars during a red. Or maybe work is allowed, like replacing wings, but tire changes aren’t. I also wouldn’t be opposed to closing the pit lane during a vsc or sc.

I’d also change how restarts are done. The whole “leader dicks around and then guns it randomly, catching the rest of the field off guard” is moronic and I’ve always hated it.

[speede5]

Originally Posted by FLAMESRULE

I also think the VSC's with gap control are stupid (I do understand the reason for them). But in the interest of spicier action I would just use a VSC but have the cars bunch up behind the leader again with a rolling start at the start/finish line. Same as NASCAR/IRL.

YES

Originally Posted by DoubleK

This is quite a polarizing debate. I like what the World of Outlaws does. You can do whatever the F you want but you tag the tail.

It absolutely should not be a free tyre change, but also shouldn't be a closed red a la Nascar. My thought being you want as many cars to continue as reasonably possible.

Same in NASCAR, if you work on the car you go to the tail end. At least there's a cost.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by speede5

Same in NASCAR, if you work on the car you go to the tail end. At least there's a cost.

Minimum penalty is two laps in NASCAR. Which is basically no, don't do that.

[speede5]

Oh shoot I’m embarrassed to say I didn’t know they changed it. Ty

[EldrickOnIce]

Come Sunday, I predict Max will knock both he and Lewis from the race - but not before Lewis has set fastest lap. Perez will then pit unnecessarily from 1st place for new softs (to set a new fastest time), and Bottas will chase him down trying to knock him out, demolition derby style.
Or something

[Fuzz]

If Max crashes into Lewis(and no fastest lap points), Max wins.


https://www.sportskeeda.com/f1/news-...-season-finale


That'd be a disastrous outcome for F1, and if he does it on purpose, I don't see how it doesn't end up looking like a total clown show.