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Old 06-25-2019, 04:04 PM   #21
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Hartman would be fine, especially if Hathaway prices himself out of Calgary. Still, think this is probably a formality and he signs in Dallas.
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Old 06-25-2019, 04:06 PM   #22
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Hartman would be fine, especially if Hathaway prices himself out of Calgary. Still, think this is probably a formality and he signs in Dallas.
Why would it be a formality at this point?

Hartman literally doesn't know he's been traded to Dallas, let alone not qualified.
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Why would it be a formality at this point?

Hartman literally doesn't know he's been traded to Dallas, let alone not qualified.
I'm sure his agent does. Dallas expressed interest in Hartman and gave up a decent asset to aqcuire him, and usually that doesn't mean they're intent upon just letting the player walk. I don't expect Hartman to hit UFA, but if he does, it'll be a pleasant surprise.
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John Shannon was raving about the Oilers depth of Defense prospects, which are a joke compared league wide. At best their average.

Pitlick, Oesterle, even Petry are examples for how they can’t develop anything.

What’s Holland going to actually change?

Maybe he won’t let a guy like Pitlick slip away for nothing, but he’ll do it by overpaying him a wage closer to Petry’s.
Not sure if you were trying to list former Oiler D or just former Oilers that they gave away, but Pitlick is a C, not a D.
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I'm sure his agent does. Dallas expressed interest in Hartman and gave up a decent asset to aqcuire him, and usually that doesn't mean they're intent upon just letting the player walk. I don't expect Hartman to hit UFA, but if he does, it'll be a pleasant surprise.
I think this might be a screw up for the Stars.

I think they intended to have him signed before the QO deadline like the Flames did when they traded for and immediately signed Chiasson.

But because the Stars couldn't reach Hartman, he is now set to be UFA.

Agent probably already received calls from other teams asking them to consider them before they sign with Dallas.
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I'd take Hartman here for sure.

Especially if we move Frolik and need more RW depth.
At 24 years old, room to grow. Could be a long haul Frolik replacement. Albeit this guy has a ball of hate in his tum tum. I drool at the idea of him and Bennett just inflicting max pain in the playoffs.

EDIT: even if he signs, could make Nichushkin available. 2.95m for this season and an RFA after that.
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I think this might be a screw up for the Stars.

I think they intended to have him signed before the QO deadline like the Flames did when they traded for and immediately signed Chiasson.

But because the Stars couldn't reach Hartman, he is now set to be UFA.

Agent probably already received calls from other teams asking them to consider them before they sign with Dallas.
Wouldn't sending a QO to the agent be food enough?

Otherwise any RFA could just go off the grid to become unrestricted.
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At 24 years old, room to grow. Could be a long haul Frolik replacement. Albeit this guy has a ball of hate in his tum tum. I drool at the idea of him and Bennett just inflicting max pain in the playoffs.

EDIT: even if he signs, could make Nichushkin available. 2.95m for this season and an RFA after that.
I think Nichushkin made himself available quite awhile ago as a cap dump
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Wouldn't sending a QO to the agent be food enough?

Otherwise any RFA could just go off the grid to become unrestricted.
The Stars likely never intended a QO as they would be concerned about arbitration.


But they simply have to mail the QO for it to count. Player doesn’t need to actually see it or anything. Probably goes through the league
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At 24 years old, room to grow. Could be a long haul Frolik replacement. Albeit this guy has a ball of hate in his tum tum. I drool at the idea of him and Bennett just inflicting max pain in the playoffs.

EDIT: even if he signs, could make Nichushkin available. 2.95m for this season and an RFA after that.




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Wouldn't sending a QO to the agent be food enough?

Otherwise any RFA could just go off the grid to become unrestricted.
Does it have something to do with being traded or am I just drunk? Yeah I'm drunk.
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I would like him on the Flames for sure. Another 2013 1st rounder which would be 8. That would have to approach some kind of record?
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Wouldn't sending a QO to the agent be food enough?

Otherwise any RFA could just go off the grid to become unrestricted.
The whole point for the Stars is not to have to send Hartman a QO. A QO means he can go to arbitration and the Stars can't walk away from an award if the arbitrator awards Hartman anything less than $4.5 million.

Yes the Stars could have still sent him a QO, but then they could have ended up paying him a lot more money than they want.

I think the intention was for the Stars to acquire Hartman and sign him to a new deal right away before the QO was due. Because Hartman went off the grid, that plan failed and now there is a risk they could lose him.
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The whole point for the Stars is not to have to send Hartman a QO. A QO means he can go to arbitration and the Stars can't walk away from an award if the arbitrator awards Hartman anything less than $4.5 million.

Yes the Stars could have still sent him a QO, but then they could have ended up paying him a lot more money than they want.

I think the intention was for the Stars to acquire Hartman and sign him to a new deal right away before the QO was due. Because Hartman went off the grid, that plan failed and now there is a risk they could lose him.
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The whole point for the Stars is not to have to send Hartman a QO. A QO means he can go to arbitration and the Stars can't walk away from an award if the arbitrator awards Hartman anything less than $4.5 million.
I forgot that he could choose arbitration.

Hard to blame the Stars then.
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The whole point for the Stars is not to have to send Hartman a QO. A QO means he can go to arbitration and the Stars can't walk away from an award if the arbitrator awards Hartman anything less than $4.5 million.

Yes the Stars could have still sent him a QO, but then they could have ended up paying him a lot more money than they want.

I think the intention was for the Stars to acquire Hartman and sign him to a new deal right away before the QO was due. Because Hartman went off the grid, that plan failed and now there is a risk they could lose him.
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I would like him on the Flames for sure. Another 2013 1st rounder which would be 8. That would have to approach some kind of record?
I'd be surprised if it wasn't some kind of record already.
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I'd take Hartman here for sure.

Especially if we move Frolik and need more RW depth.
Totally agree. He would be great in playoffs.
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At 21 Hartman looked great. Hard to say what happened but he sure stagnated.
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At 21 Hartman looked great. Hard to say what happened but he sure stagnated.
Not that it's the norm to expect it, but maybe he can have a Brett Connolly progression for his sake.
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