Stats wise maybe if you are fixated on that, however what he did all around the game on and off the ice means no one will ever be like him again. That to me means generational. Tell me another player who does all the things he can do now at present day or recent times.
Off the top of my head, Jamie Benn.
Most every NHL captain is a great guy off the ice with lots of philanthropic efforts in his community. Gio has taken up Iggy's mantle wonderfully. I can't think of a single captain on any team who was a complete #### bird in his public life and didn't give back.
Most every NHL captain is a great guy off the ice with lots of philanthropic efforts in his community. Gio has taken up Iggy's mantle wonderfully. I can't think of a single captain on any team who was a complete #### bird in his public life and didn't give back.
Sure, however Jarome had a better shot was a better fighter and was more consistent then Jamie ever will be.
I think Ovechkin is actually quite a bit like Iginla, except he is much better.
Ovie can lay a better body check, their shots very similar but Ovie has an edge. Neither guy was good at defence. Jarome was on the PK early in his career. Neither one was a great skater. Ovechkin is a horrific fighter, and often went invisible at times (See any of the olympics) Some of his playoff runs. Yes Jarome as he got into his 30's was invisible at times but compare that to the talent around him.
...Ovechkin is a horrific fighter, and often went invisible at times (See any of the olympics) Some of his playoff runs...
That’s laughable. Ovechkin captained his team to a Stanley Cup. I could give a rats ass if he ever engaged in a fight with another player. He is better than Iginla ever was at almost everything that matters in hockey. Ovechkin is a “generational” player by most measures; Iginla is not.
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Ovie can lay a better body check, their shots very similar but Ovie has an edge. Neither guy was good at defence. Jarome was on the PK early in his career. Neither one was a great skater. Ovechkin is a horrific fighter, and often went invisible at times (See any of the olympics) Some of his playoff runs. Yes Jarome as he got into his 30's was invisible at times but compare that to the talent around him.
Ovi is a better player than Iggy hands down, not even a debate.
That’s laughable. Ovechkin captained his team to a Stanley Cup. I could give a rats ass if he ever engaged in a fight with another player. He is better than Iginla ever was at almost everything that matters in hockey. Ovechkin is a “generational” player by most measures; Iginla is not.
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I agree that Ovechkin is absolutely the better player hands down.
However, for you to say that Iginla is not a generational player, I think is flat out wrong and ignorant to his accomplishments, which only 14 or 15 guys have ever done in the history of the game.
Iginla is 15th ALLTIME in NHL goal scoring, and his Jersey is being hung in the rafters forever.
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However, for you to say that Iginla is not a generational player, I think is flat out wrong and ignorant to his accomplishments, which only 14 or 15 guys have ever done in the history of the game.
Iginla is 15th ALLTIME in NHL goal scoring, and his Jersey is being hung in the rafters forever.
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Generational players by definition, should only come around every generation or so. There really are only 5, maybe 6 of these types of players.
There have not been 15 generations of NHLer's (yet).
I love Iggy. Definitely one of the top players in the league for a few year stretch there, but no one is lumping him into Richard, Howe, Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux or Crosby territory.
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I agree that Ovechkin is absolutely the better player hands down.
However, for you to say that Iginla is not a generational player, I think is flat out wrong and ignorant to his accomplishments, which only 14 or 15 guys have ever done in the history of the game.
Iginla is 15th ALLTIME in NHL goal scoring, and his Jersey is being hung in the rafters forever.
Second thoughts?
Best reply I have seen so far. I never said Ovechkin was not a better player the Jarome overall. I said Jarome did many things better than Ovie
I agree that Ovechkin is absolutely the better player hands down.
However, for you to say that Iginla is not a generational player, I think is flat out wrong and ignorant to his accomplishments, which only 14 or 15 guys have ever done in the history of the game.
Iginla is 15th ALLTIME in NHL goal scoring, and his Jersey is being hung in the rafters forever.
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Second thoughts? Not at all. In my estimation there are a handful of truly “generational” players, and Iginla is not one of them. He was a terrific player—one of the best for a time while he played in Calgary. But there have been dozens of terrific players.
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But I've always thought of 'generational' as the type of player that entered the NHL as a difference maker. The type of player teams were talking about through their juniour career. Lemieux, Crosby, Ovechkin, etc. Largely, they didn't need much NHL experience to start leading their team and turning things around.
Problem is, that happens more and more now. Is Petterson generational? I don't think so. We also talk about every player who's supposed to go high... so Patrick, Yakupov, Nuge, etc are all not generational players.
Iginla was a leader, an elite talent and my favourite player of all time. But the Nieuwendyk trade wasn't considered a home-run steal the second it was announced as Igilna wasn't a generational player everyone was clamouring for. He was a franchise player
Guys like Yzerman, Sakic, Messier, Dionne etc aren't even considered generational. They were truly elite, but generational is something that sets you apart from past and present players. I think Jarome is a group with those exceptional players, but not generational. It's criminal he wasn't part of the 100 best NHLers.
Mario & Wayne for obvious reasons.
Orr for obvious reasons.
The Rocket for goals.
Howe for goals and longevity.
I consider Sid & Ovi to both be generational. Ovi will go down as the best goal scorer ever, and Sid will go down as the best complete player.
As good as McDingle has been, I think he's already fallen out of the conversation of being generational, but will remain elite for a long time.
Best reply I have seen so far. I never said Ovechkin was not a better player the Jarome overall. I said Jarome did many things better than Ovie
Aside from fighting, I can’t think of anything.
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