2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[bax]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Not really, if they are having practice he's probably on the ice but not hopeful for the next game. But to your point, it's more of an update rather than "news".

Except she isn't providing any update and literally used the word "news". Just seems like a strange thing to tweet to me.

[bubbsy]

Confirmed:
https://www.nhl.com/flames/news/chin...hm/c-300204570

Right before the team took a break to flood the ice, Matthew Tkachuk left practice after taking a slight spill. That could change tomorrow's roster but no decisions will be made until after the morning skate.
"Everyone who didn't play Game One is going to play Game Two," Peters confirmed.
"Chucky went down and I don't think it's anything serious but we'll see how he reacts overnight and early in the morning … he'll have an opportunity to skate on it in the morning and see if it reacts favourably. We'll know a lot more after our skate tomorrow but the guys who didn't play in Game One will play in Game Two and Smitty (Mike Smith) will start."

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Hopefully, but you also missed the point where it was his 3rd season and he had improved his numbers from year one to year 3 (sophomore year was cut really short due to injuries though). Bennett has gotten worse from year one to now year 4.

Did Markus naslund play with a Troy Brouwer? I just want to see what SB does with better line mates for a while. He should be straw stirring the drink I know. But a little more time is needed.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by bax

Except she isn't providing any update and literally used the word "news". Just seems like a strange thing to tweet to me.

It's social media journalism so you come back and consume her tweets. If she said injury update she wouldn't get as much traffic. Therefore, it's not really news in the way people expect.

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Todd Bertuzzi. Boom.

18 goals in his 1st year
10 goals in his 2nd
13 goals in his 3rd
8 goals in a shortened 4th season
25 in his 5th
25 in his 6th
36 in his 7th
46 in his 8th

And Bertuzzi played a power game much like Bennett does.

Development isn't always linear. Just because a player struggles in his early 20's does not mean he's doomed. That's reality. There's really endless examples of players who broke out in their mid 20's. Just because Bennett went high and entered the NHL early does not mean he can't be one of them

Mark Scheifele:

12-13: 4 games, 0 goals
13-14: 63 games, 13 goals
14-15: 82 games, 15 goals
15-16: 71 games, 29 goals
16-17: 79 games, 32 goals
17-18: 60 games, 23 goals

His line-mates when he's been producing at a 30 goal or better pace have been pretty darn good too (Wheeler).

People need to relax and take their time with Sam. He has a really high ceiling, but it might take him some time to reach it. In the interim, you have a player who puts it on the line for his teammates, chips in, and by all accounts is a good guy in the locker room. When he figures it out, I'd rather him be on the Flames than on a different team. It's not like his next contract is going to be a blockbuster or anything.

[TheIronMaiden]

Patience is a good point. Bennett was born in 1996, he is the third youngest player on the team after Tkachuk and Hanifin. So far as I am concerned 22 is still a baby in the NHL, the average age for skaters after all is 27.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

Mark Scheifele:

12-13: 4 games, 0 goals
13-14: 63 games, 13 goals
14-15: 82 games, 15 goals
15-16: 71 games, 29 goals
16-17: 79 games, 32 goals
17-18: 60 games, 23 goals

How has Mark Scheifele regressed?

He went from having his cup of coffee to a 40 point player in his rookie season, to a 50 point player in his sophomore, to 60 points and finally he's been a PPG for the last 2 years. He's the poster boy of linear progression.

[djsFlames]

I'd say Bennett has 2 seasons to prove that he can be a top 6 player. If not then he becomes pretty replaceable and likely becomes a journeyman depth guy then PTO unless he can excel in one area (pk, pp, 2 way play). Right now he's not particularly good in any area and just shows flashes of skill.

It's just the way the league is now. You have to show you can be of value to a team trying to win, for forwards usually by 25. Some don't even get that long.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

How has Mark Scheifele regressed?

He went from having his cup of coffee to a 40 point player in his rookie season, to a 50 point player in his sophomore, to 60 points and finally he's been a PPG for the last 2 years. He's the poster boy of linear progression.

maybe I missed something, but where does it say he regressed?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

maybe I missed something, but where does it say he regressed?

That was the question being asked. Examples of players who regressed from their rookie season to their fourth year. Bertuzzi was a great example. Schefeile was just a random NHL player.

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

That was the question being asked. Examples of players who regressed from their rookie season to their fourth year. Bertuzzi was a great example. Schefeile was just a random NHL player.

i think Schefeile was thrown out to show it took him to year 4 to really break out as an example of pays to be patient

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by Demetric

i think Schefeile was thrown out to show it took him to year 4 to really break out as an example of pays to be patient

Correct.

And to show that progression in the league varies from player to player, and a large part of it has to do with the situations the players are put in (line mates, ice time, responsibility).

We've treated Sam Bennett as a third liner. And he's produced like a third liner. Stay tuned for more shocking news at 11.

If we want to see progression in his stats, he needs more offensive opportunities. That means 2nd line power play at a minimum, competent line mates, and more 5v5 ice time. Does he have to earn it, of course. But that is such a chicken and egg situation as well. There's been plenty of analysis that shows his 5v5 scoring rates are actually pretty good, and if not for some poor shooting statistics and having to drag around the shell of former 20 goal scorer Troy Brouwer, he'd likely be right where we expected him to be.

This isn't Curtis Lazar we're talking about. Bennett has plenty of untapped potential, he just needs to be given a chance to realize it.

[gilligans_off]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

This isn't Curtis Lazar we're talking about. Bennett has plenty of untapped potential, he just needs to be given a chance to realize it.

You remember that Curtis Lazar was a first round selection also right? And he’s only 1 year older than Sam. Sometimes players just don’t pan out. Not that I think Sam won’t. Just saying.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

Correct.

But no one is arguing that late bloomers don't exist. We all know they do. There's a stark difference between a late bloomer, of which there is a thousand of examples, and a player who's best season four years into his career was a sub-20 goal rookie season and he regressed each year after. It's the regression that people are concerned about. The same way Flames fans were mocking Yakupov after he regressed three years straight - and how did that turn out for the Oilers? Bertuzzi was an example that provided "hope" and made sense to the specific request.

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

And to show that progression in the league varies from player to player, and a large part of it has to do with the situations the players are put in (line mates, ice time, responsibility).

Being realistic, there's far far far more examples of players that never meet or come close to expectations if they haven't come close after his fourth season in the NHL. For every St. Louis, there is thirty players who remain busts. (And even St. Louis was a 70 point player in his fourth NHL year)

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

We've treated Sam Bennett as a third liner. And he's produced like a third liner. Stay tuned for more shocking news at 11.

Sam Bennett also looked like a third liner, hence the treatment. Even when he plays wing and the poor winger depth of Flames old, he never showed that he should have been given more opportunity. A player that looked like a third liner, played like a third liner, ending up as a third liner, even more shocking news to come at 11....

I don't think it's a stretch to consider this the most important year for Bennett's development as a Flames player. With some actual depth, (hopefully), if he doesn't progress, there's not much reason for the Flames to keep him around.

And as mentioned, Lazar was the top prospect for the Senators at one point, ahead of Stone. They had nearly as much expectation for him as we did for Bennett.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Being realistic, there's far far far more examples of players that never meet or come close to expectations if they haven't come close after his fourth season in the NHL. For every St. Louis, there is thirty players who remain busts. (And even St. Louis was a 70 point player in his fourth NHL year)

I actually agree with many of your points. this is becoming a big year for Bennett. at some point for top 5 picks, excuses need to go away (mind you I'm still firmly in the camp that he can be a useful player to us even if he never ends up being what he was projected to be)
but just regarding St. Louis (and no at this point Bennett isn't going to have a HOF career like MSL) , he was 27 years old in that 70 point season

[dammage79]

Has Sam Bennett been fired into the sun yet?

Just waiting here to get upset he's gone.

[AustinL_NHL]

Bennett had a great rookie season, followed by a terrible sophomore seasoned, followed by a great season with excellent progression last season that was destroyed by terrible (and I mean terrible) puck luck.

Bennett made huge strides last season from 2016-17 but was only of the unluckiest players in the league statistically.

People need to calm their ****

[AustinL_NHL]

Bennett had a great rookie season, followed by a terrible sophomore seasoned, followed by a great season with excellent progression last season that was destroyed by terrible (and I mean terrible) puck luck.

Bennett made huge strides last season from 2016-17 but was only of the unluckiest players in the league statistically.

People need to calm their ****

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by gilligans_off

You remember that Curtis Lazar was a first round selection also right? And he’s only 1 year older than Sam. Sometimes players just don’t pan out. Not that I think Sam won’t. Just saying.

Bennett, while being younger than Lazar, had more than twice as many points as him while suffering from a shooting percentage half of the average of the rest of his NHL career.

At this point, they're in no way comparable.

Originally Posted by looooob

I actually agree with many of your points. this is becoming a big year for Bennett. at some point for top 5 picks, excuses need to go away (mind you I'm still firmly in the camp that he can be a useful player to us even if he never ends up being what he was projected to be)
but just regarding St. Louis (and no at this point Bennett isn't going to have a HOF career like MSL) , he was 27 years old in that 70 point season

His draft position is no longer relevant, the only thing that matters is what he brings to the team. He is no more or less valuable to the team than a college free agent signing with similar skills and production, and we should evaluate him similarly. Imagine if Foo (who is two years older) had made the team last year and scored 26 points while playing with the likes of Brouwer. Would we be out there with pitchforks calling for him to be traded?

As you wrote, he can be useful to the team regardless of whether he reaches his projected ceiling. I love the fact that 2/3 of our forwards are natural centres, it provides more lineup options and allows us to ice the best available players, regardless of forward position, even in the when the inevitable injuries occur.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Ahhh good. Another Sam Bennett thread...