Mainly this - "when we join the committee, we are obliged to sign strict confidentiality agreements. under no circumstances am I or any member of the committee permitted to comment on our deliberations, upon penalty of dismissal."
He is not on the 2019 committee. I guess if pressed he could now discuss what goes on, but that would likely mean never serving again.
That’s interesting. Baseball writers can talk about their votes.
Obviously they are still on their kick of pretending it's a global HHOF rather than a predominantly North American one, but man, there's got to be many better global candidates as well.
Seems like it is Nedomansky’s defection that puts him over the top as he was the first to do so. Maybe that is noteworthy enough for induction but I don’t know if he ranks on the scale of great international hockey players that warrant induction.
As you point out, it seems like international players need to have a NA connection (summit series, defection, NHL career etc.) to warrant inclusion.
I’m not up on my international hockey starts but seems like there would be more if it was truly a world HHOF.
278 points in 421 NHL games. If the only thing he's going in for is being the first to defect, then perhaps he should be in the builder category, since his NHL career was less than awesome, to say the least.
278 points in 421 NHL games. If the only thing he's going in for is being the first to defect, then perhaps he should be in the builder category, since his NHL career was less than awesome, to say the least.
I vote for Jiri Hrdina next! a fellow czech making his NHL debut at an olde age-250 games played- 3 cups! that's efficiency!
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278 points in 421 NHL games. If the only thing he's going in for is being the first to defect, then perhaps he should be in the builder category, since his NHL career was less than awesome, to say the least.
heck. If Paul Henderson can get in for basically one goal, why not Nedomansky?
He wasn't just a dominant force in the Czechoslovakian league but he was also super when he played for the Czechoslovakian national team. He scored 163 goals in 220 games and played in 10 World Championship tournaments between 1965-74 as well as two Olympic tournaments in 1968 and 72.
In 1972 he was the offensive catalyst who led Czechoslovakia to a Gold Medal, breaking the Soviet dominance. He scored 15 points (9+6) in the 10 games. The same year as he defected he led all goal scorers during the 1974 WC tournament and was selected as the best forward of the tournament. He had also been a first All-Star three times (1969, 70 and 74) on the right wing.
Scouts and managers in the NHL were drooling over the 6'2" and 210 Ibs Slovak. He had all the tools necessary to become a star in the NHL. He not only had the size but he also possessed the best wrist shot in the world at that time. On a couple of occasions his wristshot was clocked at 90 + MPH, which was harder than most players slap shots.
278 points in 421 NHL games. If the only thing he's going in for is being the first to defect, then perhaps he should be in the builder category, since his NHL career was less than awesome, to say the least.
Yeah, same with Tretiak, or Kharlamov, or Wickenheiser, ammirite?
Does Carbonneau really deserve it? Great defensive center but doesn't have near the offensive production that you'd expect from a HHoFer. Never scored over 30 goals or 60 points even though he played most of his career in the high scoring 80s.
Guess that means that 3 Selkes now become the standard for defensive player getting into the HHoF and Jere Lehtinen would also be a lock.
Like how does he get in before Rod Brind'Armour and his 2 Selkes and 1184 points in 1484 games. (Carbonneau only had 663 points in 1318 games).
Mogilny (1032 in 990 GP) and Fleury (1088 in 1084) should have both gotten in before Carbonneau too.
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278 points in 421 NHL games. If the only thing he's going in for is being the first to defect, then perhaps he should be in the builder category, since his NHL career was less than awesome, to say the least.
It's the hockey hall of fame, not the NHL hall of fame. Once I was able to wrap my head around the fact that many of the inductees might not have had great NHL career, but had stellar careers outside the NHL, a lot of the HHOF members made a lot more sense.
Except that Henderson is not in the Hockey Hall of Fame...
ah. my apologies. I just googled "HHOF Henderson"
so when this came up I thought it was an inductee page. https://www.hhof.com/LegendsOfHockey...p?player=12910
didn't realize at a glance it was a player search page.
I would have never though to use the HHOf website to look up random players.
No Fleury or Vernon is basically a travesty. Fleury was a top 15 player for a few years and has great career totals. Vernon has the 300 wins and a conn smythe. If they were former leafs, they would be in.
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Zubov was such a smooth player. Perfectly tailored for today's game yet still succeeded despite playing his prime years during the dark days of clutch and grab NHL hockey. Outstanding player that was maybe overshadowed by some bigger name defensemen. Glad he's getting his due here.
He's the best I've ever seen at keeping the puck in the offensive zone at the blue line, particularly on the PP.
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Every year, I get annoyed that Vernon isn't on the list, and doesn't even seem to be in the conversation. I heard Cujo's name mentioned more than Vernon's.
The argument against Vernon always seems to be that he was never the best player in the league at his position, but by that logic, anyone who played Centre in the 80s or 90s not named Gretzky or Lemieux shouldn't be in the Hall.
Vernon is 20th all-time in regular season games played and 15th in wins. In the playoffs, he's 6th all-time in games played and 8th in wins. Of the 7 player ahead of him in playoff wins, the only one who isn't already in the Hall is Marc-Andre Fleury (who has one more win in four more games played than Vernon).
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Every year, I get annoyed that Vernon isn't on the list, and doesn't even seem to be in the conversation. I heard Cujo's name mentioned more than Vernon's.
The argument against Vernon always seems to be that he was never the best player in the league at his position, but by that logic, anyone who played Centre in the 80s or 90s not named Gretzky or Lemieux shouldn't be in the Hall.
Vernon is 20th all-time in regular season games played and 15th in wins. In the playoffs, he's 6th all-time in games played and 8th in wins. Of the 7 player ahead of him in playoff wins, the only one who isn't already in the Hall is Marc-Andre Fleury (who has one more win in four more games played than Vernon).
4 Stanley Cup Finals
2 Stanley Cups
1 Conn Smythe Trophy
1 Jennings Trophy
1 Second and 1 Third Place in Vezina voting
Vernon and Alex Mogilny are the two biggest snubs I think.
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