2019 Blue Jays Season Thread

[Roof-Daddy]

Grichik makes a rare appearance on base and then proceeds to get picked off. Lol what a dumbass

[flames_fan_down_under]

He’s brutal.. Why he is getting pushed up to 4th in the batting order makes no sense to me. But I guess the other options of Tellez and Hernandez are equally as bad. Even more perplexing is why the Jays extended him. He is one of those “is who he is” guys. Sylvan encapsulated his type perfectly a number of posts ago.

[SuperMatt18]

It’s funny.

For years the Jays couldn’t develop a position player but had some decent pitching prospects and pitchers.

Now we seem to have lots of young position players (Vlad, Gurriel Jr, Bichette, Biggio, Alford, Jansen, Tellez) that appear to be promising.

But now it looks like we have no top end pitching prospects.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It’s funny.

For years the Jays couldn’t develop a position player but had some decent pitching prospects and pitchers.

Now we seem to have lots of young position players (Vlad, Gurriel Jr, Bichette, Biggio, Alford, Jansen, Tellez) that appear to be promising.

But now it looks like we have no top end pitching prospects.

I guess they will just have to follow the Red Sox model of drafting/signing a lot of young talent and trade some of those pieces for a high end starter when the time is right. Also they will have to cross their fingers and hope that Pearson and Manoah can turn into high end starters.

Luckily for us that time won’t be for at least a couple of years!

[Roof-Daddy]

Grichuk - 2018 career PA's - Career OPS .776 / Current OPS .699
Drury - 1258 career PA's - Career OPS .724 / Current OPS .608
Hernandez - 849 career PA's - Career OPS .752 / Current OPS .646


Those three can be useful players, but this year they've been terrible at the plate. If they can get back to being .750~ OPSers then they might actually be useful players to augment the young core, but if not they will be sent packing I imagine.

[Roof-Daddy]

Biggio with an RBI single to tie the game in the top of 9.

Love that kid.

3/4 with a walk today.

Jansen went 3 for 3 and was pinch run for on the tying run.

[flamingred89]

My man crush on Biggio can’t get any bigger right now.

[Machiavelli]

It may read weird, but his at-bats are just so calming and satisfying

[Roof-Daddy]

Borucki started in the GCL and pitched 3 innings with 0 hits, 0 walks, 0 runs and 6 Ks

Pardihno came in next for 4 innings, 1 hit, 3 walks, 0 runs and 5 K's

If all goes well we should see both Merryweather and Borucki with the Jays in July/August. Same with Bichette and Alford.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If all goes well we should see both Merryweather and Borucki with the Jays in July/August.

Good. Props to the guy for living 16 years in the majors (starting at age 19!) with 14 teams... but I've had enough of the Edwin Jackson experience.

[Roof-Daddy]

Only 3 games, but 17 year old SS Orelvis Martinez is off to a good start in the GCL.

.400 .462 .500 .962

[Matty81]

Not following the Jays as close as usual, but can anyone tell me why the Jays wouldn't be re-signing Stroman?

They have zero pitching depth, he wants to be there, he's performing well and he's only 28 and will still likely be quite productive when the young core is more competitive in 3 or 4 years... also they have almost no committed payroll after Tulo, Martin and Morales deals dry up. Why not lock him up and make him a leader for the rebuild instead of committing a big chunk of the money in 13 mil a year to a guy like Grichuk?

They'll trade a good 200 inning guy for a couple lotto tickets... seems like the prospects teams are willing to move in those deals rarely pan out, makes no sense to me... but like I said not following them closely.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Not following the Jays as close as usual, but can anyone tell me why the Jays wouldn't be re-signing Stroman?

They have zero pitching depth, he wants to be there, he's performing well and he's only 28 and will still likely be quite productive when the young core is more competitive in 3 or 4 years... also they have almost no committed payroll after Tulo, Martin and Morales deals dry up. Why not lock him up and make him a leader for the rebuild instead of committing a big chunk of the money in 13 mil a year to a guy like Grichuk?

They'll trade a good 200 inning guy for a couple lotto tickets... seems like the prospects teams are willing to move in those deals rarely pan out, makes no sense to me... but like I said not following them closely.

This is just my opinion, but I think there are two main reasons:

1. He's created a rift with management based on his continual twitter rants and comments. IIRC several times he's been quite critical of some of their decisions. Fair for him to feel that way, quite another to air it publicly IMO.

2. He says he wants to be in TO, but are his contract demands in line with that? He's a solid pitcher, really good mid rotation guy. But is he asking for top of the rotation money? If so they should maximize his value on the trade front and save that money for legit top of the rotation starters when they eventually come out of the wood work.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It’s funny.

For years the Jays couldn’t develop a position player but had some decent pitching prospects and pitchers.

Now we seem to have lots of young position players (Vlad, Gurriel Jr, Bichette, Biggio, Alford, Jansen, Tellez) that appear to be promising.

But now it looks like we have no top end pitching prospects.

Which makes it all the more confusing for them to run Stroman out of town.

They have nobody who can pitch. They have so little pitching that Edwin Jackson gets to start games for them.

Extend Stroman. He just turned 28. He wants to be there. He gives you 200 good innings a year. He's not going to cost you a fortune, and someone has to take the ball every fifth day.

The Blue Jays will not win anything with this JP Riccardi redux at the helm.

[bluejays]

With Stroman, it's about ego driving him to do immature things. To executives it drives them crazy. I say now is the time to make the move on him and deal him. He's playing well, he's also very vocal, and most importantly he's in a position to get a sizable return back. You don't want him to get injured and say they couldn't predict that. Deal him now and get your A-grade prospect back and be happy. If you're not getting that back, sign him and keep him on the team until someone does offer that back.

[cross16]

I guess define fortune? Right now it looks like Stroman would be pretty high up the list in terms of available starters in his free agent class. I have not heard what he's asking for but some stuff I've read and some comps suggest he could be looking at 4-5 years and upwards of 20mill AVV.

I would not pay him that personally, which is part of the reason i'm in the he should be traded camp.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Not following the Jays as close as usual, but can anyone tell me why the Jays wouldn't be re-signing Stroman?

I'm no insider but the most likely reasons are...

1: $$: Stroman probably wants a heftier paycheck then Rogers wants to pay.
2: Window: Stroman isn't old but he's not young either and I think the Jays want someone who'll be peaking when Vlad/Bichette/Biggio are peaking and Stroman is probably one of the better starting pitchers likely to be available at the deadline to acquire such.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Not following the Jays as close as usual, but can anyone tell me why the Jays wouldn't be re-signing Stroman?

They have zero pitching depth,

.

Jays are a rebuilding club who are several years away

Jays are far better off, trading him at his peak value (i.e. I bet he is traded at this year's trade deadline)

I don't believe for a second, that Stroman would or will resign with the Jays...... He is talking lots but no chance he would resign IMO

As for pitching depth, once they are ready... They will sign UFAs and trade for pitching depth (years away however)

[Roof-Daddy]

This is what I was saying as well.

He says he wants to sign in TO....fan service IMO. He'll sign with the Jays alright, for a bunch more than he's worth.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by flambers

I don't believe for a second, that Stroman would or will resign with the Jays...... He is talking lots but no chance he would resign IMO

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

He says he wants to sign in TO....fan service IMO.

No, I'm pretty sure it's true. Folk who are only saying that they want to resign as fan service don't do this to themselves...



... now I'm sure he won't under-value himself but folk who aren't willing to stick around where they are don't turn themselves into a human canvass of the skyline of where they are.