05-23-2023, 12:36 PM
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GOAT!
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Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988
Because he asked to be traded.....
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Because nobody's ever changed their mind before.
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05-23-2023, 12:36 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Regina
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I am more than aware of how good he was, or could be. The problem is, he rarely showed it in the playoffs here. He wanted out also, and it was really hard. Weegar is a stud, Huberdeau can be again. I have moved on.
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05-23-2023, 12:43 PM
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#43
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
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Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988
Because he asked to be traded.....
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AFTER Johnny Walker went to CBJ.
Different set of parameters.
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05-23-2023, 12:44 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by dino7c
come on now, he wanted to cash in on his season and not come back to the Flames minus Gaudreau for his pending UFA season which could have been poor offensively considering the coach and linemates.
He was only looking out for himself
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Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988
Can't believe the amount of people that don't see this for what it was. He didn't even want to finish out his contract with the Flames.
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Yup - Gaudreau played out his contract and decided to leave as a UFA.
Tkachuk was just looking out for himself and based on what I've heard the only place he truly wanted to go to was Florida.
Both guys were just looking out for what they thought was their own best interest.
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05-23-2023, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by FanIn80
Because nobody's ever changed their mind before.
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You honestly think in May 2022 he thought he was going to sign long term with the Flames?
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05-23-2023, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by FanIn80
Because nobody's ever changed their mind before.
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The mental gymnastics some fans pull to stick up for the guy.... and I'm not even a Tkachuk hater.
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05-23-2023, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by transplant99
AFTER Johnny Walker went to CBJ.
Different set of parameters.
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How so? Either you want to be a leader or you don't. I don't remember Yzerman, Sakic, or Iginla demanding a trade when times were tough.
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05-23-2023, 01:08 PM
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
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Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988
How so? Either you want to be a leader or you don't. I don't remember Yzerman, Sakic, or Iginla demanding a trade when times were tough.
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Iginla held out.
Sakic signed an offer sheet.
Though i dont know what they have to do with MT's situation here a year ago.
But when JG left, everything changed for MT, and a bunch of others. So did his ideas on where he wanted to play.
Why is this so hard to admit?
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05-23-2023, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by transplant99
Iginla held out.
Sakic signed an offer sheet.
Though i dont know what they have to do with MT's situation here a year ago.
But when JG left, everything changed for MT, and a bunch of others. So did his ideas on where he wanted to play.
Why is this so hard to admit?
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Say what you want about Tkachuk, at least he wasn't a little bitch like Niewendyk was at the end.
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05-23-2023, 01:15 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Grew up in Calgary now living in USA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
Iginla held out.
Sakic signed an offer sheet.
Though i dont know what they have to do with MT's situation here a year ago.
But when JG left, everything changed for MT, and a bunch of others. So did his ideas on where he wanted to play.
Why is this so hard to admit?
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Yeah remember when Matt said something about after Johnny left he had to with reevaluate the situation. I also think some guys were close to Sam Bennett. In other words when you start to dismantle some of these friendships it factors in where they want to play. I bet Matt doesn't choose Florida if Bennett is not there.
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05-23-2023, 01:16 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by transplant99
Iginla held out.
Sakic signed an offer sheet.
Though i dont know what they have to do with MT's situation here a year ago.
But when JG left, everything changed for MT, and a bunch of others. So did his ideas on where he wanted to play.
Why is this so hard to admit?
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Did it though?
The rumor (from the spitting chiclets and missing curfew guys) was that Tkachuk asked for a trade going back to the 2021 offseason prior to that season - but it would have been selling low coming off a bad year.
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Originally Posted by DazzlinDino
Yeah remember when Matt said something about after Johnny left he had to with reevaluate the situation. I also think some guys were close to Sam Bennett. In other words when you start to dismantle some of these friendships it factors in where they want to play. I bet Matt doesn't choose Florida if Bennett is not there.
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His parents were building a house in Florida before the trade happened...I've heard that the "4 team list" was more of a negotiation tactic for Tkachuk and the Flames to get the deals they wanted...there was only one place he wanted to go. I'm not sure how big of a factor Bennett was.
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05-23-2023, 01:18 PM
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#52
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Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Grew up in Calgary now living in USA
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Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov
Say what you want about Tkachuk, at least he wasn't a little bitch like Niewendyk was at the end.
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Yeah if he had walked the Flames would have been in a lot deeper trouble.. I know some people applaud Treliving's recovery but that doesn't happen without Tkachuk giving him some options.
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05-23-2023, 01:21 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Grew up in Calgary now living in USA
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Did it though?
The rumor (from the spitting chiclets and missing curfew guys) was that Tkachuk asked for a trade going back to the 2021 offseason prior to that season - but it would have been selling low coming off a bad year.
His parents were building a house in Florida...I've heard that the "4 team list" was more of a negotiation tactic for Tkachuk and the Flames to get the deals they wanted...there was only one place he wanted to go.
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I didn't know about the house in fForida. But you know his brother didn't choose to leave Ottawa. I just don't think that we gave him enough reasons to stay.
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05-23-2023, 01:28 PM
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Did it though?
The rumor (from the spitting chiclets and missing curfew guys) was that Tkachuk asked for a trade going back to the 2021 offseason prior to that season - but it would have been selling low coming off a bad year.
His parents were building a house in Florida before the trade happened...I've heard that the "4 team list" was more of a negotiation tactic for Tkachuk and the Flames to get the deals they wanted...there was only one place he wanted to go. I'm not sure how big of a factor Bennett was.
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Im just not sure what his parents building a winter home in Florida would have to do with him deciding where to sign though. Its not like he would be living with them. He has his own life and money etc.
As for a couple podcast guys throwing out their thoughts...well it just doesnt hold a lot of sway for me.
I think many things went into his decision but seeing the best line in the NHL get broken up for good was probably the catalyst to making a final decision to not return. COVID, certainly location, taxes....all probably played a part.
I dont think it is a coincidence that JG flies the coop and a couple weeks later MT informs his bosses he wont be resigning with them even though negotiations had been happening with his agent.
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05-23-2023, 01:29 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DazzlinDino
I didn't know about the house in fForida. But you know his brother didn't choose to leave Ottawa. I just don't think that we gave him enough reasons to stay.
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Yeah I don't disagree at all. He should have been named captain, and probably should have been made more the focal point of the team.
In terms of contract I think the difference was Ottawa was deadset on 8 years...and didn't want a shorter contract on the table.
Since Brady hadn't blown up yet there was room there to overpay, which they did. They gave a guy who had only broken 50 points a $8.5M contract.
That type of option didn't exist with Matthew at the time. He was coming off a 78 point season. A 8 year contract was likely going to cost $9.5M at that time, and really it was more likely going to be a 6 year deal which is what Rantanen/Marner had signed.
I still don't dislike the idea of a 3 year bridge with the player expiring as RFA vs a 6 year deal that takes them to UFA. I think I prefer the 3 year deal even in hindsight to be honest.
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05-23-2023, 01:41 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Yeah I don't disagree at all. He should have been named captain, and probably should have been made more the focal point of the team.
In terms of contract I think the difference was Ottawa was deadset on 8 years...and didn't want a shorter contract on the table.
Since Brady hadn't blown up yet there was room there to overpay, which they did. They gave a guy who had only broken 50 points a $8.5M contract.
That type of option didn't exist with Matthew at the time. He was coming off a 78 point season. A 8 year contract was likely going to cost $9.5M at that time, and really it was more likely going to be a 6 year deal which is what Rantanen/Marner had signed.
I still don't dislike the idea of a 3 year bridge with the player expiring as RFA vs a 6 year deal that takes them to UFA. I think I prefer the 3 year deal even in hindsight to be honest.
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It was, in practical terms, a 4 year deal with the final year being an option at $9M. In the presser people like to quote he referred to a long term deal as "6,7,8 years". Meaning 6 (during which he can push for a trade, and after this year would have totally controlled who that trade was to because he'd have, no doubt, an NTC).
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05-23-2023, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DazzlinDino
I didn't know about the house in fForida. But you know his brother didn't choose to leave Ottawa. I just don't think that we gave him enough reasons to stay.
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Ottawa also paid a premium for him on an 8 year deal. He has yet to reach the value of that deal yet.
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05-23-2023, 01:48 PM
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I hate Tkachuk but I’m walking away with my draft in part because of him.
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05-23-2023, 01:50 PM
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
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Originally Posted by Knut
Ottawa also paid a premium for him on an 8 year deal. He has yet to reach the value of that deal yet.
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8.2 for an 83 pt season seems reasonable....no?
Plus, he has not hit his prime yet as he is only 23.
That is a contract i dont believe they should have any worries about.
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05-23-2023, 01:50 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
It was, in practical terms, a 4 year deal with the final year being an option at $9M. In the presser people like to quote he referred to a long term deal as "6,7,8 years". Meaning 6 (during which he can push for a trade, and after this year would have totally controlled who that trade was to because he'd have, no doubt, an NTC).
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Yup. In reality even with a 6 year deal we could have ended up in the exact same scenario where he wanted out after the 22 season, and pressure to move him before a NTC kicks in
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