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Old 06-07-2023, 12:20 PM   #16481
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Can we as definitively say they're not rebuilding?
Yes. Everybody from ownership to management have said they think this team is close. They are not rebuilding anytime soon.
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Old 06-07-2023, 12:25 PM   #16482
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It's pretty much impossible to rebuild. The contracts that can't be moved are with players good enough to keep the team in the mushy middle at the very least. In order to get rid of them, you would need to add futures to the other team, which defeats the purpose of a rebuild.

The team was put on rails last summer and only has one direction now.
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Old 06-07-2023, 12:31 PM   #16483
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3 cup finalists since 2017 were in the "mushy middle" its not all bad

besides...with a million things going wrong last season they were 16th of 32 teams. Coaching and goaltending can easily have them in the upper echelon let alone improving other things.

If it fails again we can have another conversation.
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Old 06-07-2023, 12:37 PM   #16484
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3 cup finalists since 2017 were in the "mushy middle" its not all bad

besides...with a million things going wrong last season they were 16th of 32 teams. Coaching and goaltending can easily have them in the upper echelon let alone improving other things.

If it fails again we can have another conversation.
3 out of 12 finalists being from the "mushy middle" seems pretty bad to me, to be honest.

I'll agree that if a few more things go right, the Flames can be a strong team. But I don't think Markstrom has a long high-level playoff run in him.
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Old 06-07-2023, 01:02 PM   #16485
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Old 06-07-2023, 01:26 PM   #16486
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What about Hanifin to the wings for #17? Maybe if Reinbacher and ASP are gone by our pick at 16, they'd want to move the pick for a young dman that can play right now.
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Old 06-07-2023, 01:30 PM   #16487
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daily faceoff hast 5 RFAs that might not get qualifying offers:

https://www.dailyfaceoff.com/news/ma...this-offseason

1. Blackwood
2. Puljujarvi
3. Gurianov
4. Comtois
5. Bear

Gurianov and Comtois could be interesting reclamation projects. I recall hearing that the Flames were high on Comtois in his draft year.
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Old 06-07-2023, 01:31 PM   #16488
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What about Hanifin to the wings for #17? Maybe if Reinbacher and ASP are gone by our pick at 16, they'd want to move the pick for a young dman that can play right now.
I would much rather move Tanev before Hanifin.

I know Tanev is worth less but if possible you lock up Hanifin.
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Old 06-07-2023, 01:31 PM   #16489
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I still think poolparty is worth a shot on the Flames.

Gurianov is an interesting change of scenery candidate as well.
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Old 06-07-2023, 01:32 PM   #16490
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What about Hanifin to the wings for #17? Maybe if Reinbacher and ASP are gone by our pick at 16, they'd want to move the pick for a young dman that can play right now.
I was thinking 17 and Zadina for Hanifin. Change of scenery candidate with all world skill and you'd hope someone could light a fire under his butt.
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Old 06-07-2023, 01:36 PM   #16492
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Man the flames consistently ####ing suck hard at taking advantage of trade opportunities. Provorov is worse than hanifin. We could have had a great return for hanifin from Columbus. The teams were already rumored to be talking... it's just stupid that we're again going to hold on to #### players who can't win because of some arcane one sided loyalty to the club we've built around them. ####in hell. They're really going to try to run this steaming pile of #### back to the end zone.
Well to be fair, no one has said which end zone they plan on running it back into.
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Old 06-07-2023, 01:42 PM   #16493
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Man the flames consistently ####ing suck hard at taking advantage of trade opportunities. Provorov is worse than hanifin. We could have had a great return for hanifin from Columbus. The teams were already rumored to be talking... it's just stupid that we're again going to hold on to #### players who can't win because of some arcane one sided loyalty to the club we've built around them. ####in hell. They're really going to try to run this steaming pile of #### back to the end zone.
Lol

Cup finals aren't even over yet
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Old 06-07-2023, 02:07 PM   #16494
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https://twitter.com/brianhedger/stat...Id-kuUoekIUv4A

Columbus looking for more veteran D help and mentioned Severson from NJ. I heard Portzline on the FAN today mention the 3rd pick is where they will address the center ice position. He says it is hard to see any situation where they move the pick.

I do wonder if they would have interest for a Lindholm/Hanifin combo which would solve their needs.

I still wonder about something like:

Lindholm+Hanifin+16
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Roslivic+Bean+3+35
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Old 06-07-2023, 02:10 PM   #16495
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Lol

Cup finals aren't even over yet
And? Other teams are not prevented from actually getting to work, as clearly evidenced. The flames are the only franchise that puts up these ridiculous time barriers: "oh we won't talk to x player until after the season" "we can't make trades while the playoffs are still going! Even though we didn't even make them"
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Old 06-07-2023, 02:18 PM   #16496
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And? Other teams are not prevented from actually getting to work, as clearly evidenced. The flames are the only franchise that puts up these ridiculous time barriers: "oh we won't talk to x player until after the season" "we can't make trades while the playoffs are still going! Even though we didn't even make them"
You know this how? Seems like an over the top reaction to a trade that Hanifin probably says no to
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Old 06-07-2023, 02:47 PM   #16497
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I do wonder if they would have interest for a Lindholm/Hanifin combo which would solve their needs.

I still wonder about something like:

Lindholm+Hanifin+16
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Roslivic+Bean+3+35

I think Roslivic is the only NHLer from Columbus. Doubt they move him.

I would rather one of the younger guys - Sillinger, Texiera, Marchenko.
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I think Roslivic is the only NHLer from Columbus. Doubt they move him.

I would rather one of the younger guys - Sillinger, Texiera, Marchenko.
Portzline on the radio today said Roslivic is almost a lock to be moved before the start of next season. Sillinger is a future top 6 C for them (Portzlineís words).

I donít even want Roslivic I tossed him in for cap purposes.
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Old 06-07-2023, 02:54 PM   #16499
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It's pretty much impossible to rebuild. The contracts that can't be moved are with players good enough to keep the team in the mushy middle at the very least. In order to get rid of them, you would need to add futures to the other team, which defeats the purpose of a rebuild.

The team was put on rails last summer and only has one direction now.
Eh. Huberdeau, Weegar, and Kadri can easily be tank commanders if they go that route.
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Portzline on the radio today said Roslivic is almost a lock to be moved before the start of next season. Sillinger is a future top 6 C for them (Portzlineís words).

I donít even want Roslivic I tossed him in for cap purposes.
I think they were out on Lindholm once they traded the LA 1st unless they are willing to gamble on being in a good spot over the next two seasons. Sillinger + 1st is a base that makes sense.
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