[PGT] 5-4 Blues in a SO

[Manhattanboy]

Agree with above. I think its fair to say dumb coaching cost us a point last night.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Monahan played 1 minute of OT.

11seconds of the two full minute pp.

Lucic had 28 seconds of OT pp time










Why.

Teams don't practice a lot of 4 on 3 powerplay.

The Flames setup (most teams actually) has a player as the central bump back option, which is Monahan.

With a 4 on 3 powerplay you don't have that guy, so you tend to surround the slot with a triangle with a net front presence.

Tkachuk was the net front guy on powerplay one, Lucic was the net front guy on unit two.

Monahan is neither the move the puck guy on the perimeter nor the net front guy.

Certainly worth debating but his thought process at least makes sense under those assertions/assumptions.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Again, it's OT. Call a fricking timeout if Monahan is tired. But he has to be out there for that PP.

Worst player management I have seen in a long time.

You can't call a timeout without a stoppage. And I'm not saying Monahan was tired. I'm wondering if someone didn't change up properly. Say, Lindholm, who would have been Monahan's change partner.

It could have been a really bad choice. But it could have been player fault or injury or equipment. Again, I'm surprised no one asked Ward.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Red

My thought wasn't based on one game. I'm looking at Bennett the player this season and past. He takes penalties a lot and the Oilers are deadly on a PP.

Limits t their opportunities this way without missing any real offence. His grit is replaced by Buddy.

But he has jam, and the Oilers have a myriad of players that are completely unable to handle said jam from the opposition!

Digging in though, Bennett is -8 in taking penalties vs drawing penalties this year, which isn't great. It's ball park to Backlund -9, Giordano -7, Frolik -8 and even Brodie -6 ... with clearly less ice time.

Bennett is the worst in differential / 60 for sure. Frolik very close.

[Flash Walken]

Monahan isn't a net front guy?

He might have the best hand-eye in the team?

He's tied for second in the team in goals and 3rd in points and had two goals in the game already.

That's gotta be one hell of a net front advantage to keep him on the bench in favour of a guy with 4 goals on the season.

The thought process doesn't make any sense to me at all.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Monahan isn't a net front guy?

He might have the best hand-eye in the team?

He's tied for second in the team in goals and 3rd in points and had two goals in the game already.

That's gotta be one hell of a net front advantage to keep him on the bench in favour of a guy with 4 goals on the season.

The thought process doesn't make any sense to me at all.

He hasn't been deployed that way no.

You can make the argument that he should though.

I think you're confusing the guy that can get open and shoot from the high to moderate slot with the guy that battles for position in front of the goaltender and tips pucks.

As I said you don't have to agree with the process, but that's what he was thinking in my mind.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Bingo

But he has jam, and the Oilers have a myriad of players that are completely unable to handle said jam from the opposition!

Digging in though, Bennett is -8 in taking penalties vs drawing penalties this year, which isn't great. It's ball park to Backlund -9, Giordano -7, Frolik -8 and even Brodie -6 ... with clearly less ice time.

Bennett is the worst in differential / 60 for sure. Frolik very close.

So who do you sit if you want Buddy and Rinaldo?

This is how we arrived at this, trying to have both Buddy and Rinaldo in tonight.

I'd rather have that jam than Bennett. And let me be clear, this is for tonights game, not long term. Buddy looked great, owned the boards and created havok in front of the net versus a very heavy team. He should be even more noticeable vs the Oilers D.

Sam is a fine player, but if I have to sit someone from last night, it's him.
Other options would be Janko who is good on pk, Dube who is fast or Mangi who is a great spark plug.

Forgot to add. All others that take too many penalties make up for them. Bennett does not. He is by far the worst player in terms of contribution that you listed although Frolik was close.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Red

So who do you sit if you want Buddy and Rinaldo?

This is how we arrived at this, trying to have both Buddy and Rinaldo in tonight.

I'd rather have that jam than Bennett. And let me be clear, this is for tonights game, not long term. Buddy looked great, owned the boards and created havok in front of the net versus a very heavy team. He should be even more noticeable vs the Oilers D.

Sam is a fine player, but if I have to sit someone from last night, it's him.
Other options would be Janko who is good on pk, Dube who is fast or Mangi who is a great spark plug.

Forgot to add. All others that take too many penalties make up for them. Bennett does not. He is by far the worst player in terms of contribution that you listed although Frolik was close.

I'd rather have Bennett in the game than any of Rinaldo, Robinson, Dube or Jankowski.

His pasting of Nurse last year pretty much turned the game early.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'd rather have Bennett in the game than any of Rinaldo, Robinson, Dube or Jankowski.

His pasting of Nurse last year pretty much turned the game early.

Well, the whole conversation started when someone wanted both Buddy and Rinaldo in tonight so we are off topic at this point.

[CSharp]

Talbot looked like Hiller down on his knees all night. Every time there's a shot and/or a rebound, you got a gut feeling the puck was gonna go in.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Red

Well, the whole conversation started when someone wanted both Buddy and Rinaldo in tonight so we are off topic at this point.

Not sure I'd call it off topic.

You said you'd sit Bennett. I said I wouldn't sit Bennett.

[Flash Walken]

Why on Earth would you sit Bennett for a BOA?

Hell, you could scratch him for every other game of the season before you'd scratch him for those games.

[Red]

Read the thread guys. Some here were talking about inserting Rinaldo to last night's lineup. And specifically for this one game. While keeping Buddy in and all that. If that's the case, who comes out?

I suggested Bennett because he is likely to cost us with his penalties.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not sure I'd call it off topic.

You said you'd sit Bennett. I said I wouldn't sit Bennett.

You said you'd sit Buddy and Rinaldo. The whole topic came up because someone wanted both in the lineup. So yes, your suggestion is off topic. At the very least it's irrelevant.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Red

You said you'd sit Buddy and Rinaldo. The whole topic came up because someone wanted both in the lineup. So yes, your suggestion is off topic. At the very least it's irrelevant.

This feels like a misunderstanding.

Or am I to understand that replying to a person that says he would sit Bennett with why I wouldn't sit Bennett is being off topic, and now irrelevant?

[Red]

Well, you took it out of context when you said you'd rather sit Rinaldo and Buddy before Bennett where it was a conversation about who to remove so we can add Rinaldo to compliment Buddy.

Anyways, I will settle for a misunderstanding.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You can't call a timeout without a stoppage. And I'm not saying Monahan was tired. I'm wondering if someone didn't change up properly. Say, Lindholm, who would have been Monahan's change partner.

It could have been a really bad choice. But it could have been player fault or injury or equipment. Again, I'm surprised no one asked Ward.

I understand what you're saying. What I am saying is that Ward should have called a timeout at the get go, so that he could go with Gaudreau and Monahan for a minute and a half, and he wouldn't have had to worry about change ups.

Monahan being out for that PP for 11 seconds is a fire-able offence, IMO.