CalgaryNEXT Discussion pt. 2

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

You guys are like the posters 'hearing things' on deadline day.

Does that make it untrue?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

And does this alternative scheme move Bow Trail?

If not, I will also be mad.

This alternative scheme could be the greatest concept ever rendered and it would matter not to a group of people that are dead set against a new building so I fully expect lots of people to be mad regardless.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Muta

Does that make it untrue?

You're a pretty big 0 for 1.

Months, maybe years of telling us how awesome and innovative the arena proposal was going to be.

The only innovation was Ken King taking a poop, and developing a mechanism to convert a physical turd to a .pptx file.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

You guys are like the posters 'hearing things' on deadline day.

I never make news items about this, all I'm saying is that alternative concepts have been designed.

You don't have to believe me. But I've seen them and they're there.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

You're a pretty big 0 for 1.

Months, maybe years of telling us how awesome and innovative the arena proposal was going to be.

The only innovation was Ken King taking a poop, and developing a mechanism to convert a physical turd to a .pptx file.

If you expected a extremely unique project, likely projected to be in the hundreds of millions of dollars, to be completely bulletproof and seamless in its design from day one, then I don't know what to say. Maybe adjust your expectations. This isn't a $500 tool shed being built here. Also, it isn't your money or project, so if your ideas are so much better, maybe get involved somehow?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by muta

if you expected a extremely unique project, likely projected to be in the hundreds of millions of dollars, to be completely bulletproof and seamless in its design from day one, then i don't know what to say. Maybe adjust your expectations. This isn't a $500 tool shed being built here. Also, it isn't your money or project, so if your ideas are so much better, maybe get involved somehow?

lol

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

lol

I take it your first draft of your university papers was good enough for an A+ mark, yes? No edits, revisions, and corrections required?

You have little concept about the complexities of major construction and redevelopment projects, this much is true.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Muta

If you expected a extremely unique project, likely projected to be in the hundreds of millions of dollars, to be completely bulletproof and seamless in its design from day one, then I don't know what to say. Maybe adjust your expectations. This isn't a $500 tool shed being built here. Also, it isn't your money or project, so if your ideas are so much better, maybe get involved somehow?

I think most people would like it to make sense.

Also considering how much you pumped the tires and it came out flat can you expect different?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I take it your first draft of your university papers was good enough for an A+ mark, yes? No edits, revisions, and corrections required?

Did you just compare an arena district proposal to an undergrad humanities paper?

Maybe the Flames are in worse shape than even *I* thought possible.

[Regorium]

KK just confirmed that he wants the 250M ticket tax to be fronted by the city.

Called that one pretty easily.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Did you just compare an arena district proposal to an undergrad humanities paper?

Maybe the Flames are in worse shape than even *I* thought possible.

Haha no, I compared your asinine attitude towards construction projects to that of a first year humanities paper. But nice spin job, doc.

You clearly have little concept about complex construction projects.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I think most people would like it to make sense.

Also considering how much you pumped the tires and it came out flat can you expect different?

I'm sorry, but what were you expecting? A finished design right off the bat? If so, you might not fully understand how design and construction projects work. And that's okay, not everyone does.

If you don't like the concept that was released, that's a matter of your own opinion. It's all in the eye of the beholder.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Did you just compare an arena district proposal to an undergrad humanities paper?

Maybe the Flames are in worse shape than even *I* thought possible.

What was so 'LOL' about what I said? Your post was more of a drive-by than anything.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Muta

If you expected a extremely unique project, likely projected to be in the hundreds of millions of dollars, to be completely bulletproof and seamless in its design from day one, then I don't know what to say. Maybe adjust your expectations. This isn't a $500 tool shed being built here. Also, it isn't your money or project, so if your ideas are so much better, maybe get involved somehow?

Considering no one on the project took the time to google "Should I place a massive wall with little public interface and low usage intensity right on a city's downtown riverfront?" I don't think there was much hope from the get go.

They'd put the aforementioned $500 tool shed in the middle of the Peace Bridge while they were at it.

[sun]

Originally Posted by Muta

If you expected a extremely unique project, likely projected to be in the hundreds of millions of dollars, to be completely bulletproof and seamless in its design from day one, then I don't know what to say. Maybe adjust your expectations. This isn't a $500 tool shed being built here. Also, it isn't your money or project, so if your ideas are so much better, maybe get involved somehow?

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I take it your first draft of your university papers was good enough for an A+ mark, yes? No edits, revisions, and corrections required?

You have little concept about the complexities of major construction and redevelopment projects, this much is true.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

Considering no one on the project took the time to google "Should I place a massive wall with little public interface and low usage intensity right on a city's downtown riverfront?" I don't think there was much hope from the get go.

They'd put the aforementioned $500 tool shed in the middle of the Peace Bridge while they were at it.

What wall are you talking about?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

You're a pretty big 0 for 1.

Months, maybe years of telling us how awesome and innovative the arena proposal was going to be.

The only innovation was Ken King taking a poop, and developing a mechanism to convert a physical turd to a .pptx file.

It seems to be a lot of the disdain towards the original announcement was due to the underwhelming concept pictures. That's fair because even the staunchest supporter of the project would have liked to see something more revealing than what looked like very rough renders. The fact of the matter though is that having a large fieldhouse connected to a world class arena is an innovative idea and details like the glass roof (I believe this idea came from the new Minneapolis field) on the field house are cutting edge facility design. If done right I have no doubt that Calgary NEXT would be the "awesome and innovative the arena proposal" King said it would be but it seems King and the Flames owners really underestimated how easy the populace can be swayed by concept renders. I'm sure if they could do it again they would have got a studio to crank out some glossy futuristic concept that would have had nothing in common with the final project if they knew that concept renders mattered this much in swaying taxpayers.

[Regorium]

From what I'm hearing, KK has brought zero new information to the lunch. Basically repeating the same talking points as before.

[Ozy_Flame]

Concept =/ Reality.

I think there are posters on here that are having a hard time deciphering the difference.

Also, not liking a design is a matter of opinion. Personally I don't like the renderings either, but a field house / arena concept is a great idea IMO.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It seems to be a lot of the disdain towards the original announcement was due to the underwhelming concept pictures. That's fair because even the staunchest supporter of the project would have liked to see something more revealing than what looked like very rough renders. The fact of the matter though is that having a large fieldhouse connected to a world class arena is an innovative idea and details like the glass roof (I believe this idea came from the new Minneapolis field) on the field house are cutting edge facility design. If done right I have no doubt that Calgary NEXT would be the "awesome and innovative the arena proposal" King said it would be but it seems King and the Flames owners really underestimated how easy the populace can be swayed by concept renders. I'm sure if they could do it again they would have got a studio to crank out some glossy futuristic concept that would have had nothing in common with the final project if they knew that concept renders mattered this much in swaying taxpayers.

Bull####, the problem is that these innovative ideas are funded completely by taxpayers, while the Flames ownership group reaps the benefit from any of these facilities.