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Old 01-04-2023, 12:59 PM   #2441
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People read about Elon applying Aristotle’s First Principles to his problem solving strategies and hear him say “don’t live by analogy” and think that he is a living breathing demigod.
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Old 01-04-2023, 01:33 PM   #2442
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This thread is funny. A lot of people need to do a little more research and reading about Musk before you hop on the Musk trashing train that the media is trying to jam down everyone's throats.

Musk is an EXTREMELY intelligent person, one of the smartest on this planet. And Musk looks at things/issues/businesses from a completely different perspective than most people on the planet. There's a reason that almost everything he touches turns to gold...

The media wants you to believe that he's an idiot because the media knows the general public are idiots and they'll feed off of it and spread it. Musk has an extensive history of ruffling feathers when he takes control of a business, that's no secret. But his track record speaks for itself. He does things no other person on the planet even thinks about doing and he gets results.

People booing him and criticizing every move he makes, likely haven't made a meaningful contribution of their own to society and likely never will.
A lot of Musk's fortune is based on right place at right time as he struck when the iron was hot, following government money as a lot of his success was fueled by $5 billion in government subsidies. He's certainly intelligent enough to know how to play the game and I will give him credit for succeeding where many (myself included) thought he would fail by creating a legitimate car company in Tesla but it's pretty evident all the success has gone to his head and he's now under the illusion that he's now an expert at software, politics, procreation, and anything else that tickles his fancy.

I just don't understand what the legion of Musketeers adore him so given his ethics, the way he treats his employees, and runs his businesses. I guess your dream is to be a gigantic rich ####### then it makes sense.
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And all that is before you get into his ####### personality that even his family can't stand. Do you think the guy even has one close personal friend? I have my doubts, because he's a dick. Musk succeeds on things for the same reasons sociopaths make such "good" leaders. They don't give a #### about anyone but themselves.
It's called Asperger's Syndrome, look it up. Again, like most, you believe too much of the media BS. He might be a "dick" but he's the "dick" that's changing the world. All while the rest of the world complains about him and makes fun of him because they don't know any better. It's comical and sad.
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It's called Asperger's Syndrome, look it up. Again, like most, you believe too much of the media BS. He might be a "dick" but he's the "dick" that's changing the world. All while the rest of the world complains about him and makes fun of him because they don't know any better. It's comical and sad.
LOL, ya, he has unconfirmed Asperger's, so that gives him the right to call people pedophiles. Sorry, I forgot that exception. My bad.

So you admit he's a dick, but we should still respect him? How big of a dick can he be before we are allowed to call him out?

I've been following Musk for years, I've seen many of his speeches, loads of commentary on him, followed the tech, and I've come to far different conclusions than you, it doesn't make my conclusions invalid, or that I am "making fun of him" becuase I don't know any better. That's a pretty obtuse take. Looking at Musk now, it sure seems this is just the rest of the world coming around.
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He might be a "dick" but he's the "dick" that's changing the world. All while the rest of the world complains about him and makes fun of him because they don't know any better. It's comical and sad.
Change for the better? I'd like to see the argument for that. If he disappeared today, I'm not sure if the world would be better or worse off. I'd lean to the latter frankly. You could argue Bezo's is changing the world too, but has he made it better?

Disruption does not automatically equal positive change. Nor does being rich equal intelligence.
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I just don't understand what the legion of Musketeers adore him so given his ethics, the way he treats his employees, and runs his businesses. I guess your dream is to be a gigantic rich ####### then it makes sense.
The guy is literally changing the world in front of our eyes. He's taking businesses/industries that were historically mismanaged and inefficient and changing them for the better, forever.

He runs his companies with a no BS approach. None. And he is extremely efficient and cost effective. Hence why's been able to create so many successful companies. He's not always liked for his "attitude" and his ability to dismiss people/employees but he's almost always well respected regardless by said employees.

I suggest you all take the time to listen to his audiobook: Elon Musk by Ashlee Vance. It's fantastic and will show you a bit of the real Musk.
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What's he changed? He hasn't done anything that hadn't been done before, he was just the first to do it at a bigger scale.
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And he's far from being a great leader.
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The guy is literally changing the world in front of our eyes. He's taking businesses/industries that were historically mismanaged and inefficient and changing them for the better, forever.

He runs his companies with a no BS approach. None. And he is extremely efficient and cost effective. Hence why's been able to create so many successful companies. He's not always liked for his "attitude" and his ability to dismiss people/employees but he's almost always well respected regardless by said employees.

I suggest you all take the time to listen to his audiobook: Elon Musk by Ashlee Vance. It's fantastic and will show you a bit of the real Musk.
No, he's really not. Go look up some of the lawsuits, and grievances filed from auto workers. Go look up people who worked at Twitter and dreaded his arrival, who's fears were materialized. Why is it so hard to admit he's a pretty big POS human being? A guy can invest in some cool tech, and still be a dick. A book from 7 years ago is going to miss a lot of "personal development" time over those years.
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It is amazing the Elons transformation to “dick” in the public’s eyes corresponds to him moving towards the right and against main stream media

He was always a dick suckling off government subsidies. However , he does know how to get stuff done and inspire certain people , which is his greatest talent.

Anyone who has ever worked for a big tech company , or especially a Silicon Valley big tech company , knows 75% of what Elon says is spot on. While the details may be slightly off and some good/needed people will be caught in the crossfire , the premise of most of his statements in regards to Twitter and how it operated are very consistent across the industry.

Other companies are already starting the cull and changes as well , they are just doing it quietly Vs Elons in your face and pompus way of doing things
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Other companies are already starting the cull and changes as well , they are just doing it quietly Vs Elons in your face and pompus way of doing things
Those other companies are also feeling the vitriol and hatredÖ there is commonality and it isnít Elon-specific
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Be nice to Elonís mom.
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Just like Dogecoin, it isnít gold but a bubble


https://twitter.com/user/status/1610323054210715648
This really most of the Qs. Look at Facebook, Netflix, Amazon, Apple, or just the NASDAQ 100 index. Growth stocks in the Qs have all been in a bubble.
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He’s no different than the CEO of a bank, or a publicly traded O&G company, find efficiencies, fire people, increase stock price, etc etc. it’s just people apply this mythological status to these #######s in the tech industry and then call it “disrupting”.
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The guy is literally changing the world in front of our eyes. He's taking businesses/industries that were historically mismanaged and inefficient and changing them for the better, forever.

He runs his companies with a no BS approach. None. And he is extremely efficient and cost effective. Hence why's been able to create so many successful companies. He's not always liked for his "attitude" and his ability to dismiss people/employees but he's almost always well respected regardless by said employees.

I suggest you all take the time to listen to his audiobook: Elon Musk by Ashlee Vance. It's fantastic and will show you a bit of the real Musk.
What you consider a no BS approach, I consider tyrannical in a lot of cases. High injury rates, sexual harassment, racism, extremely high stress, poor conditions, etc. He's basically running the Washington Redskins of the Automobile business.
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Even when a PE firm like Vista or Thoma Bravo take over, they realize that maintaining a company culture and a high level of CX is needed to grow. Yes, they do make brutal cuts in the name of efficiency, but those orgs have proven playbooks, and don't do it based on how they feel at any given point, or what their legion of sycophants say.
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But Elon did not want to maintain the culture . He wanted to do the complete opposite (for better or worse)
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And I'll admit a bias: a good friend of mine for like 10 yrs was a VP at Twitter in London - until last month.
There was nothing really wrong with Twitter's corporate culture. From what I heard, it was one of the best, inclusive, and most equitable places to work for the day-to-day people getting stuff done. What was broken were some of the leadership and processes.
However, Elon conflated culture with processes and we're seeing the results of that.
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I think there should always be a healthy skepticism concerning Businessmen, especially people in the mold of Musk.

Many people are either averse to or incapable of, change.

You couldnt plunk an 80s Executive into a 2023 Company and expect great things because the only thing thats changed is the street price of cocaine?

Elon has some ideas, but I think the World operates very differently in reality in comparison to how it operates in his head.

For sure, maybe its just that Elon is operating 'Streets Ahead' of the rest of the World and really, truly is the smartest man in the room. Its possible.

I'd surmise it to be highly improbable and I certainly wouldnt put my money on it. I dont have a couple hundred Billion dollars to lose acting like a petulant monkey.

I'd wager rather that Musk started off with many advantages, hit a few home-runs early on off of ideas and financing and moments of opportunity but that now, when his acumen is actually being put to the test its being measured, weighed and found wanting.
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