Flames practice notes: January 25 - No Tanev

[fatso]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Agreed. I think we have to put a more skilled player on that line rather than watch Looch try to play with pubes, he just isn't a 2nd line player.

come on man... never judge a guy for making a pube gamble. we've all done it.

[traptor]

Sutters a smart man. Part of his job is being a public figure, and all his public displays are calculated just as anyone would if they were giving a work presentation.

He probably got some grief from someone about his performance in that aspect of his job since there was such a negative blowback.

He's obviously made some adjustments to swing the other way. Arm pump celebrating a mid season columbus win? That is not the Sutter we've been seeing so far this year.

Someone cracked the whip on him about it, even if it was himself.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by traptor

Sutters a smart man. Part of his job is being a public figure, and all his public displays are calculated just as anyone would if they were giving a work presentation.

He probably got some grief from someone about his performance in that aspect of his job since there was such a negative blowback.

He's obviously made some adjustments to swing the other way. Arm pump celebrating a mid season columbus win? That is not the Sutter we've been seeing so far this year.

Someone cracked the whip on him about it, even if it was himself.

Or, the people that jumped all over his prior remarks are now doing whatever they can to justify their former position and using whatever nonsense they can to say "see I was right about his prior remarks" even though they were clearly, clearly wrong.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by traptor

Sutters a smart man. Part of his job is being a public figure, and all his public displays are calculated just as anyone would if they were giving a work presentation.

He probably got some grief from someone about his performance in that aspect of his job since there was such a negative blowback.

He's obviously made some adjustments to swing the other way. Arm pump celebrating a mid season columbus win? That is not the Sutter we've been seeing so far this year.

Someone cracked the whip on him about it, even if it was himself.

I was thinking the same thing, he probably now realizes that he crossed a line. It could have been his wife, or could be some acquaintance around the league asking him the meaning behind what he said. Sometimes these teachable moments have a way of creating change. I am hoping it's the kind of situation that gets the team going on a roll and even opens the door for some of young guys.

[btimbit]

I think that's a bit of a stretch, even the day before that 'controversial' clip he was speaking very highly of Pelletier.

He's been always great with the media on off days and short with them on game days

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by fatso

come on man... never judge a guy for making a pube gamble. we've all done it.

Damn autocorrect.

[Flaming Horse]

Originally Posted by Groot

As much as it sucks not having Tanev in the lineup, timing wise with all-star break and who our opponents are before and after, good time for him to get some extended rest. The only playoff teams we play are Seattle and NYR (x2) between now and Feb. 23, with Buffalo as well as the only other team close to a spot.

Does not seem to matter how weak the opponent is these guys find a way to lower themselves and play to the level of there competition.

[activeStick]

Did I mishear? I got the impression from Sutter that he was thankful that it wasn't the shoulder he had major surgery on and he looked fairly confident that he'd be back after the break

[heep223]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Did I mishear? I got the impression from Sutter that he was thankful that it wasn't the shoulder he had major surgery on and he looked fairly confident that he'd be back after the break

I believe he said “[Tanev] had major shoulder surgery in the offseason…and it [referring to the recent injury] is not that.”

A little bit ambiguous as to whether he’s referring to the severity of the injury, or whether he’s saying it’s not the same shoulder. Either way it seems to be pretty good news.

I feel like a CP sleuth needs to go back to last year and confirm which shoulder it was back then.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

I was thinking the same thing, he probably now realizes that he crossed a line. It could have been his wife, or could be some acquaintance around the league asking him the meaning behind what he said. Sometimes these teachable moments have a way of creating change. I am hoping it's the kind of situation that gets the team going on a roll and even opens the door for some of young guys.

I think Sutter and the entire team were probably thrilled that they finally won an OT game. No reason to read anymore into it than that. The team is probably very aware that losing all these OT games this year has drastically affected their position in the standings.

This rhetoric that he should be coddling Pelletier or pumping his tires for looking good in 6-8 minutes of play is nonsense. It's about the team first and foremost and young pro athletes like Pelletier don't need to be thinking they've accomplished anything before they have, or you can easily end up with another Valimaki.

Also, Sutter in the media is an entirely different person compared to Sutter in the dressing room.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

I think Sutter and the entire team were probably thrilled that they finally won an OT game. No reason to read anymore into it than that. The team is probably very aware that losing all these OT games this year has drastically affected their position in the standings.

The thing that kills me is the loser points argument.

I know I've seen Calgary fans using it against Edmonton when they lose in overtime, so we're not immune but it seems silly to me.

A team with a terrible post 60 minute record is somewhat unlucky not to get roughly 50% of the loser points aren't they? Sort of suggests a team like Calgary should be higher up the standings, not as high as they are because of loser points blah blah

Anyway ... off topic.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The thing that kills me is the loser points argument.

I know I've seen Calgary fans using it against Edmonton when they lose in overtime, so we're not immune but it seems silly to me.

A team with a terrible post 60 minute record is somewhat unlucky not to get roughly 50% of the loser points aren't they? Sort of suggests a team like Calgary should be higher up the standings, not as high as they are because of loser points blah blah

Anyway ... off topic.

Yup - if anything being bad in OT is actually hurting our points, not inflating them.

It's the teams that are killer in OT/SO that are falsely inflated.

Colorado at 9-3 for example.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The thing that kills me is the loser points argument.

I know I've seen Calgary fans using it against Edmonton when they lose in overtime, so we're not immune but it seems silly to me.

A team with a terrible post 60 minute record is somewhat unlucky not to get roughly 50% of the loser points aren't they? Sort of suggests a team like Calgary should be higher up the standings, not as high as they are because of loser points blah blah

Anyway ... off topic.

You can definitely look at it either way with the Flames deserving to be higher up the ladder or lower depending on your perspective. But, yes, I would say that most teams would be unlucky not to be somewhere close to .500 in OT over 82 games.

The Flames are probably due for some balancing out here the rest of the way and part of this is whether or not they have found the right personnel mix for the 3-3 period, and the other part is just dumb luck.

Better yet, if they avoid OT altogether by clamping down these games that have gotten away from them.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

He's an important player, a lynchpin, a glue guy, but he's nowhere near their best player. I probably don't put him top 5 on this team.

He is the teams best defender, and in a Sutter system that makes him one of the teams best by default since they are in "a defend first and generate chances from that" scheme.

No he doesn't provide offence and if that is criteria for who is "best", then yes he will be far down the line on that list.

But he is certainly among the top 3 for most important guy on the club as you stated.