[Rumour] Brooks: NHL will try to redefine HRR and set max 5 yr contracts in next CBA

[sureLoss]

again Brooks not most reliable but FWIW. We know escrow is a hot button topic for the players, but there hasn't been much discussion on what the league might want to change in the next CBA.

He is also reporting that the GMs are moving to ban all hits to the head. Won't happen this season, but the NHL is going to study if changing the rule would have unintended consequences. This is somewhat confirmed by Ren Lavoie and Alan Walsh.


https://nypost.com/2018/06/23/why-nh...hitting-rules/

We are 14 months away from the NHL and NHLPA being able to exercise re-openers on the collective-bargaining agreement. The league has until Sept. 1, 2019 and the PA until Sept. 15, 2019 to opt out. If either side re-opens, the agreement expires following the 2019-20 season. The sides are expected to chat informally this summer, but no formal meetings have been scheduled.


The league is expected to move to redefine hockey-related revenue in order to come away with a larger share of its 50-50 cut. There will likely be a push to set maximum contract term at five years, the hill on which Deputy Dawg Bill Daly died during the 2012-13 Owners’ Lockout III. And we have been told by a mole that Commissioner Gary Bettman has already addressed/lectured the Board of Governors on the topic of signing bonuses for the lockout season; as in, stop giving them out.

Biometrics will be a significant issue in the talks. Indeed, we’re told the issue is already arising in certain precincts. We’re told that there are teams taking the position they own the right to monitor, for instance, a players’ heartbeat 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 52 weeks a year. The players quite naturally feel otherwise. Who wouldn’t?

By the way, where did you spend last night, “Mr. Jacobs?”

[Monahammer]

Imo they are guaranteeing another lockout positioning themselves like this. This league and the owners suck.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Imo they are guaranteeing another lockout positioning themselves like this. This league and the owners suck.

Come on man this is all posturing seeing the NHLPA will push to eliminate escrow. You are being pretty naive if you think one side is going to simply roll over for the other.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Imo they are guaranteeing another lockout positioning themselves like this. This league and the owners suck.

Was there ever any doubt that another lockout was coming? This has become the new reality.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Come on man this is all posturing seeing the NHLPA will push to eliminate escrow. You are being pretty naive if you think one side is going to simply roll over for the other.

My post actually implies that I dont believe that one side will roll over, hence the lockout. It's hard to negotiate in good faith with someone whose opening position is clearly designed to piss you off

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Was there ever any doubt that another lockout was coming? This has become the new reality.

It's hard to be a fan of a league that plays 8 seasons out of every 10. I imagine it's also hard for other professional sports leagues to take this level of circus show seriously. One of the main reasons the nhl remains the forgotten mentally challenged cousin of NA professional sports.

[Lil Pedro]

You gotta think due to this impending lockout that Seattle will come into the league in 2021-22 season?

Also feel that along with reducing escrow, the PA will fight hard for future olympic participation.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Was there ever any doubt that another lockout was coming? This has become the new reality.

There's nothing new about this reality. Labour disputes have been SOP in sports for nearly 50 years.

Two thoughts here:

1. Larry Brooks is as untrustworthy as it gets. There is nothing he says that I would take as truth until collaborated by someone else.

2. That being said, this makes sense for the reason Erick Estrada notes: The NHLPA is going to take a run at escrow. More specifically, it is going to try and attack the linked cap. It's obvious that the owners will meet that with things equally loathsome to the players.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

It's hard to be a fan of a league that plays 8 seasons out of every 10. I imagine it's also hard for other professional sports leagues to take this level of circus show seriously. One of the main reasons the nhl remains the forgotten mentally challenged cousin of NA professional sports.

I love when people with no understanding of history try to make points like this. Strikes or lockouts since 1972:

NHL: Four
NFL: Five. Plus a lockout of officials.
NBA: Four
MLB: Eight. And Don Fehr was prepared to cancel another World Series in 2002. That didn't happen only because the players themselves rescinded their strike vote at the last minute.

[spuzzum]

In a perfect world, it would be great for the NHL, NBA, MLB and NFL to cut player salaries, game tickets, and Heroine beer by 75% across the board.

When an athlete is making more than a CEO of a company managing 10,000+ people, the PM of Canada ten or a hundred fold, or the United States President, the financial aspect of sports has just turned into utter lunancy. And yes it's all about what the market will make of it - doesn't make it right for a middle class family.

[Poster]

Originally Posted by spuzzum

In a perfect world, it would be great for the NHL, NBA, MLB and NFL to cut player salaries, game tickets, and Heroine beer by 75% across the board.

When an athlete is making more than a CEO of a company managing 10,000+ people, the PM of Canada ten or a hundred fold, or the United States President, the financial aspect of sports has just turned into utter lunancy. And yes it's all about what the market will make of it - doesn't make it right for a middle class family.

It’s none of your business how much money these other humans make. Vote with your wallet, clicks and eyeballs if you have a problem with it.

When the NHL owners FORCED the players to be their partners they said essentially “your role is to entertain and engage with our customers, our role is to run the business. If we both do our jobs right, we will make a boatload of money together.”

The players are counting on the owners to grow the revenue as much as possible, that’s the commitment the owners made to them.

The owners therefore are MORALLY & ETHICALLY obligated to charge as much as the market will pay.

Don’t worry though, the owners will lock the fans out to extort more from their partner.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I love when people with no understanding of history try to make points like this. Strikes or lockouts since 1972:

NHL: Four
NFL: Five. Plus a lockout of officials.
NBA: Four
MLB: Eight. And Don Fehr was prepared to cancel another World Series in 2002. That didn't happen only because the players themselves rescinded their strike vote at the last minute.

How many games have been effected in each league? Anything before this millennium is barely relevant now

NFL: 0 since 1987. I guess a few games were impacted by officiating more recently, too.
NBA: 32 in '99, 16 in '11
MLB: In '94 each team played ~117/162, missing roughly 45 games each, and all of the playoffs; also 18 games the next season.
NHL: 34, 82+ playoffs, 34.

https://www.cnn.com/2013/09/03/us/pr...cts/index.html


The NHL is in a league of it's own - baseball at least demonstrated the ability to learn from it's mutually assured destruction 24 years ago.

[lazypucker]

If I am an owner or league official, I would push for the elimination of all of those NTC, NMC, limited trade list, etc. I hate to see players requesting a trade but demands To only trade him to one or two particular teams, really handcuffs the GMs

[SebC]

NHL needs to fix the NCAA problem.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by SebC

NHL needs to fix the NCAA problem.

Which problem is that? Euros can become UFAs in 4 years too. Do they need to fix the Euro problem? CHL players can re-enter the draft or become UFA's in 2 years. Do they need to fix the CHL problem?

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

You gotta think due to this impending lockout that Seattle will come into the league in 2021-22 season?

Also feel that along with reducing escrow, the PA will fight hard for future olympic participation.

Although you could argue, if they come in 20-21, that gives each team $20-25 million to help cover some costs of missed games during the lockout.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Which problem is that? Euros can become UFAs in 4 years too. Do they need to fix the Euro problem? CHL players can re-enter the draft or become UFA's in 2 years. Do they need to fix the CHL problem?

Clearly college draft picks should just be forced to sign with the team that drafts them.

Kidding aside, I'm not sure why so many have a problem with this, it's really the only fair way to do it. As you alluded to, they are subject to essentially the same rules as the chl, euro, etc.

One tweak I would make is that if the player is a 2nd round pick, you can get a 3rd as compensation. If it's a 3rd, you get a 4th. Kind of the way they deal with a 1st rounder doing it, but extending it a couple of rounds. That's about as far as I would go though.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

The NHL is in a league of it's own - baseball at least demonstrated the ability to learn from it's mutually assured destruction 24 years ago.

Blame your fellow fans for that then. As it stands, NHL fans have not really ever punished the league for its lockouts. MLB attendance plummeted after the cancelled World Series. It took a decade for attendance to return to its pre-strike numbers.

After the NHL lost a full season due to the 2004-05 lockout, attendance went up. After the lockout season, 21 teams saw their per game attendance either remain the same or increase. 8 teams had attendance increases greater than 1000 people per game. Of the 9 teams who saw attendance decreases, only 2 had drops that exceeded 1000 people per game. Also, one of the 9 teams who saw per game attendance drops was the Oilers and their drop was entirely the result of having hosted the Winter Classic in 2003, which skewed their per game attendance for that year.


If the 2012 and 1994 lockouts have shown anything, it's likely that shortened seasons are good for business. It's often said that the NHL makes its money in the playoffs because the players aren't getting paid during the playoffs, other than their per diems. By cancelling almost half the season, teams are only losing the revenue from the weaker early-season games where attendance tends to be lower and they don't have to pay the players for those cancelled games, while still being able to play a full playoff schedule, where the players are "free".

Originally Posted by SebC

NHL needs to fix the NCAA problem.

It's an NCAA rule that players can't sign pro contracts and still be eligible to play in the NCAA.

The only way the NHL could "fix" it would be to make NCAA players ineligible for the Draft, or change the rule to be like the NFL and NBA where a college player must leave college and declare himself Draft-eligible. Doing that wouldn't really "fix" the problem that people are complaining about though.

You can complain about the Flames trading away Hickey and Fox because they thought there would be issues getting them signed, but if the Flames didn't have those players' rights to include in those trades, what else would the Flames have given up?

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by getbak

It's an NCAA rule that players can't sign pro contracts and still be eligible to play in the NCAA.

The only way the NHL could "fix" it would be to make NCAA players ineligible for the Draft, or change the rule to be like the NFL and NBA where a college player must leave college and declare himself Draft-eligible. Doing that wouldn't really "fix" the problem that people are complaining about though.

You can complain about the Flames trading away Hickey and Fox because they thought there would be issues getting them signed, but if the Flames didn't have those players' rights to include in those trades, what else would the Flames have given up?

A rule simply giving the drafting team that players rights for a year after they leave school regardless of the situation would be nice. We're seeing more and more guys opt to go free agency from college, it's going to be the next 'russian factor' in terms of making teams think twice about drafting these players.

Obviously I have no clue about the business side of things and wether or not the logistics of such a rule makes sense or is even possible, but seeing so many of these guys walk is frustrating.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Which problem is that?

You're not that stupid, you're just being obtuse.