The Democratic Presidential Nomination 2020

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Do you need to be 'battle tested" to be president?

What battle test do Senators go through?

What battle test did Congressmen go through?

Do all governors have a battle test moment?

Are there other indicators of how one would do inappropriate battle test scenario other than a crisis in a large public office?

Would working in intelligence in an active war zone count?

Ironically, no President of the last 26 years has ever been to an actual battle. Mayor Pete has.

My point is, the arbitrary bar of needing to hold a large high level office to be President is arbitrary and while it can be an asset for those running. It shouldn't be a liability.

Since you asked, here's an article from the New York Times today illustrating what previous positions people have had before becoming president.

One key point: number of people elected to president after their previous highest office being mayor: ZERO.

Governor is the most common position if you don't count vice presidents who take over after a president dies or resigns.

Senator is most common after that. Followed by cabinet member, but that hasn't been happening of late so the trend is moving away from that.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...gtype=Homepage

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Since you asked, here's an article from the New York Times today illustrating what previous positions people have had before becoming president.

One key point: number of people elected to president after their previous highest office being mayor: ZERO.

Yes, but surely being a mayor is still a better position to have held prior to becoming President than reality show host.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Since you asked, here's an article from the New York Times today illustrating what previous positions people have had before becoming president.

One key point: number of people elected to president after their previous highest office being mayor: ZERO.

Governor is the most common position if you don't count vice presidents who take over after a president dies or resigns.

Senator is most common after that. Followed by cabinet member, but that hasn't been happening of late so the trend is moving away from that.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...gtype=Homepage

I don’t think mayor being “zero” is really a key point.

Trump, Eisenhower, Grant, and Taylor are the four with even less than mayoral experience, so the real key point is “people with the same or less experience than Buttgieg = four”

EDIT: forgot Grant

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Yes, but surely being a mayor is still a better position to have held prior to becoming President than reality show host.

I dunno. 1-0 is the score there, so you be the judge.

Perhaps Americans are willing to elect a mayor if they truly believe in him, but I tend to look at Trump as an outlier in the history of American democracy, not the norm. People still want experience more than anything.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I don’t think mayor being “zero” is really a key point.

Trump, Eisenhower, and Taylor are the three with even less than mayoral experience, so the real key point is “people with the same or less experience that Buttigieg = three”

Eisenhower was a key military officer as was Taylor. The article notes that it has happened several times in history with Washington and Grant being the other two notables.

I'm just pointing out that traditionally, being mayor has been insufficient to be elected president. Perhaps that's changing, but I'd be shocked if being mayor of South Bend was enough for the majority of the country.

As I said earlier. Buttigieg will likely play this run into a run at the governor's mansion, and after he serves there, he's likely a top candidate to be president, but not yet.

[corporatejay]

Isn't Mayor Pete gay? I just can't see the extremely religious US voting in a gay man.

[calf]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Isn't Mayor Pete gay? I just can't see the extremely religious US voting in a gay man.

The people who won't vote for a gay man aren't voting Democrat anyways.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by calf

The people who won't vote for a gay man aren't voting Democrat anyways.

This is definitely not the case. There are millions of highly religious visible minorities who are potential democratic voters who are unfortunately pretty backwards socially, and particularly on this topic. Even if they don't vote Republican, plenty will stay home. I don't know if that makes Buttigieg unelectable in a general, I'm not sure if I'll go that far, but whether he is or not, you're certainly incorrect about the above.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by calf

The people who won't vote for a gay man aren't voting Democrat anyways.

Roughly six in ten white (59%), Hispanic (60%), and mixed-race Americans (59%) and close to seven in ten (69%) Asian-Pacific Islander (API) Americans favor same-sex marriage. Black Americans are more divided with fewer than half (48%) expressing support for allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry, while 41% are opposed. However, this represents a five-point increase in support for same-sex marriage, compared to 43% in 2015.


https://www.prri.org/research/americ...ration-reform/

[AltaGuy]

Every single racial demographic in the US is becoming more liberal over time - and quite quickly.

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Roughly six in ten white (59%), Hispanic (60%), and mixed-race Americans (59%) and close to seven in ten (69%) Asian-Pacific Islander (API) Americans favor same-sex marriage.

Wow we must be facing a steep population decline in a few years. I knew that North American culture was becoming more 'European' but I didn't realize that most of the population was preferring to marry their own sex.

[GirlySports]

Just look at California in 2008 on blacks voting for Obama and for Prop 8.

That's your answer.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.lat...story,amp.html

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

Wow we must be facing a steep population decline in a few years. I knew that North American culture was becoming more 'European' but I didn't realize that most of the population was preferring to marry their own sex.

You understand that straight people can support gay marriage right?

[Fuzz]

I know very little about Warren, so this was a good summary for me of her.



https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/demo...190801?cmp=rss


Sanders should step aside and let her take the reigns, they seem to have similar polices.

[Nyah]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I know very little about Warren, so this was a good summary for me of her.



https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/demo...190801?cmp=rss


Sanders should step aside and let her take the reigns, they seem to have similar polices.

I'm starting to feel convinced that she's the right candidate as well. Initially I though Biden was a shoo-in, but it's obvious his likability among left leaning voters isn't that great. He represents the establishment that they desperately want to get away from.

[woob]

Man, if Warren wins in 2020, Trump will DEFINITELY not concede. Can you imagine the twitter tirade?

[MelBridgeman]

The teens are scared of Biden

Joe Biden's 2020 Campaign Makes Me Sick with Fear for Our Future

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/joe-...mNifxirsbheWkE

[PostandIn]

Mayor Pete is doing pretty well in the early going tonight.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I think the field is starting to be defined. RollingStone with an interesting look.

Biden still ranked number one, but the shine is coming off really fast.

Warren at number two, holding steady and with a signature student debt forgiveness platform that will be a big hit with a number of voters.

Harris at number three and riding the wave of the debate performance.

Sanders at four, but running out of gas. His thunder with the students has been stolen by Warren.

Buttigieg at number five and climbing quickly. Charismatic and is really easy to listen to. Ideas guy that knows how to get things done.

Booker at six, but looking weak. His performance in the debates hurt him.

Castro at seven. Good debate performance, but has yet to excite a segment of the population, even Hispanics.

Kloubecker, O'Rourke, and Inslee round out the top 10, but they are proving to be no match for the leaders in the race. Gabbard, Gillibrand, and Yang should be focusing on positioning themselves as possible players in the administration more so than as candidates for President. Their time may come in 2024. All the rest, pack yer ####, you're out here!

I think it's going to come down to Warren, Harris, and Buttigieg. The later two is a ticket I could get behind.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

^Let me guess:

Gabbard would have something to do with the military
Yang would have a position related to the economy

What the hell does Gillibrand do other than annoy people?

Inslee might make a good head of the EPA should he continue on his current tack.