And therein lies the problem. While Yaniv self-identifies as a woman, do people who provide intimate services have to accept a client’s self identification if their genitals are not changed and those services involve one’s private parts? It’s one thing to use someone’s preferred personal pronouns. It’s quite another thing to be forced to wax their testicles.
“People who invoke fundamental human rights like freedom of belief and religion cannot cherry pick which rights they want, depending on their preferences,” continued Yaniv. So, is it a human right to have your privates waxed by women who don’t want to wax your privates?
Do you think it is?
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Sums up what her quest is really all about. Attention.
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These type of lame publicity stunts in a desperate bid for the limelight actually harm the trans community and their attempts to get equal treatment for things that actually matter.
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I'm actually surprised there hasn't been a thread on this already as it's been going on for some time.
To answer the OP's question, no. No woman (no person for that matter) should be forced into a position providing services they are uncomfortable with - especially when said services involve genitalia. It honestly floors me that this is even a conversation.
If anyone really wants to ruin their day, do some digging into Jessica Yaniv. That person is a truly vile individual.
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Sums up what her quest is really all about. Attention.
These type of lame publicity stunts in a desperate bid for the limelight actually harm the trans community and their attempts to get equal treatment for things that actually matter.
And therein lies a problem - I think a broader denunciation of these sort of stunts would do a lot of good in furthering the trans-cause in the view of typical Canadians.
People like Yaniv hijack and corrupt the issues for their own personal gain in such a way that is so ridiculous to most 'outsiders' (i.e. non-trans, "casual observers"), it lessens the consciousness of more serious - and real - issues the community faces.
Seems to be using being transgender as an excuse to be a child predator and get attention. He/she is a caricature of the boogieman people on the radical right paint of transgender people.
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The person being called in front of the HC was pretty clear with Yaniv. She had never done waxing on male genitalia, and wasn't comfortable doing it because she wasn't trained.
She has continually gone to the HC, and seems to take joy in the attention and time wasting.
As well there are transcripts of communications online between Yaniv and under aged girls that are absolutely foul and disgusting.
I think there is some serious mental illnesses at play.
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I had read some stuff about this person and they don't exactly seem like a decent person, if their messages to young girls are depicted accurately. I am suspicious that this is some first step in distancing themselves from their earlier online behavior by getting the name change and ensuring that whenever somebody references the old name to have it censored.
The person being called in front of the HC was pretty clear with Yaniv. She had never done waxing on male genitalia, and wasn't comfortable doing it because she wasn't trained.
She has continually gone to the HC, and seems to take joy in the attention and time wasting.
As well there are transcripts of communications online between Yaniv and under aged girls that are absolutely foul and disgusting.
I think there is some serious mental illnesses at play.
I was hesitant about mentioning the specifics, because it seems like that stuff would be pretty easy to fake, but Rex Murphy did bring that up in his editorial piece.
The topless swim thing for kids under 12 is definitely weird though.
I think that focusing on Yaniv's online persona is a wrong approach. Makes it too easy to dismiss a legitimate dilemma:
Is it a human right to have your privates waxed by women service providers who don’t want to wax your privates? Yes or no?
Is it a human right for a service provider to deny services to someone on the basis of their sexual orientation? Yes or no?
Removing references to "your privates" in the second question makes answering the first one not as easy as it seems.
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If you are unskilled in the specific trade, I don't think its unreasonable to deny the service. So, would you want a) your genitals waxed by somebody without proper training, or b) would you want to perform the waxing and then subsequently being receive horrible reviews for doing it poorly.
I also think that common knowledge would suggest that a brazillian is done around female genitals, so much so that the assumption of anybody who would request one would have female genitals.
99.9% chances this ends is some level of charges filed against Yaniv. The amount of creepy/illegal discussions from Yaniv coming to light now basically makes it all but a sure thing. You can't offer to show a minor child porn and not catch a charge.
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I think that focusing on Yaniv's online persona is a wrong approach. Makes it too easy to dismiss a legitimate dilemma:
Is it a human right to have your privates waxed by women service providers who don’t want to wax your privates? Yes or no?
Is it a human right for a service provider to deny services to someone on the basis of their sexual orientation? Yes or no?
Removing references to "your privates" in the second question makes answering the first one not as easy as it seems.
Here's the problem with your second question, "Sexual orientation" has nothing to do with sex, gender, or genitals. Those are the things in question here.
The real issue here is the disconnect between sex (genitals) and gender identity.
Should someone be refused service based on their gender identity?
Absolutely not.
Is that the case here? Well that's a little more difficult to say.
The issue here isn't gender identity, it's the fact that this person still has biologically male genitals.
Presumably, the waxer is in the business of waxing female genitals.
This person wants male genitals waxed, which is not something this person does in the regular course of business, so I would say this doesn't qualify as a case of discrimination (gender based or otherwise).
Now if this person/company regularly did wax men's genitals, or if they were refusing to wax this woman's armpits or eyebrows, then sure, I would say that meets the criteria for discrimination, but since that's not the case, I would say the person not doing the waxing is in the right here.
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