Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Sure, but why would anyone be willing to pay for a franchise player when all they are getting is Tkachuk? It's not like his shortcomings are a secret known only to the Flames.

Still, his value is sky high. Young 100+ point power forwards are a rarity and every team wants one.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dino7c

this guy, you are really losing all credibility here
top prospect that said he would only play for the Rangers

Lindholm/Hanafin>Barzal and that's with hindsight drafting...last I checked Bruins didn't take him with that pick

And while people here are crazy about Barzal, in NY they aren’t thrilled with him at the moment.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Making Treliving's job easier is not one of Gaudreau's responsibilities.

lol

That's not what I said.

If he wants to stay in Calgary though, it's in his best interests to make Treliving's job easier by signing as soon as possible. If he wants to win, that is.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

lol

That's not what I said.

If he wants to stay in Calgary though, it's in his best interests to make Treliving's job easier by signing as soon as possible. If he wants to win, that is.

OK, so now that's twice you have said what you just denied saying.

‘Lol’ indeed.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

You mean you guarantee that they will finish last multiple times, since that is the only way to draft in the top 3 without winning the lottery?

Bold.

Nope I didn't guarantee anything...but you can go ahead and play that game if it makes you feel good

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

This:



Is directly contradicted by this:



Which is he, a franchise player or a 70-80 point winger who fizzles out in the playoffs?

It seems to me you want to trade Tkachuk to a team that is willing to pay far too much for him. Easier said than done.

I felt my point was pretty obvious. Due to this outlier year, Tkachuk appears to be a legit franchise winger, and other teams may pay that price. In reality, without Gaudreau, Tkachuk is not a 100 point player, and, IMO, his intangibles in the playoffs aren't all that spectacular. In fact, they often do more harm than good and serve to act as a distraction.

The Flames, therefore, may want to cash out and sell high on Tkachuk before he inevitably comes back down to Earth.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dino7c

this guy, you are really losing all credibility here
top prospect that said he would only play for the Rangers

Lindholm/Hanafin>Barzal and that's with hindsight drafting...last I checked Bruins didn't take him with that pick

I stopped replying to this guy's reasoning a while ago. He wants to see the Flames tear it down and suck because he is an Oilers fan.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

And while people here are crazy about Barzal, in NY they aren’t thrilled with him at the moment.

Honestly if Flames could swing Tkachuk for Barzal + (Wahlstrom?) I would be down for that.

Barzal probably will be easier to sign.

Solves the question of another puck mover to take pressure off Gaudreau.

Lou would probably love Tkachuk.

Gaudreau - Lindholm
Mangiapane - Barzal
Coleman - Backlund

Toffoli, Pelletier, Dube, etc could fill out the spots around those guys, and suddenly the speed of our forwards looks like a strength instead of a weakness.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

And while people here are crazy about Barzal, in NY they aren’t thrilled with him at the moment.

At this stage even if they had an equal cap hit Lindholm>>Barzal

[FanIn80]

So... any actual news yet, or is everyone still just yelling about a falling sky?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

OK, so now that's twice you have said what you just denied saying.

‘Lol’ indeed.

There is a difference between "it being his job" and it being "in his best interests"

I also used the word "incentive"

I never said it "was his job"

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Sure, but why would anyone be willing to pay for a franchise player when all they are getting is Tkachuk? It's not like his shortcomings are a secret known only to the Flames.

I think a lot of team, especially teams with smaller/softer players, see Tkachuk as the answer. Maybe you are correct, and everyone else sees the truth, in which case if the offers coming back are for that 70-80 point Tkachuk, it's likely not worth it. However, you never know who is desperate out there.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by blankall

I felt my point was pretty obvious. Due to this outlier year, Tkachuk appears to be a legit franchise winger, and other teams may pay that price.

You're assuming that the people running those teams are less informed than you are.

The Flames, therefore, may want to cash out and sell high on Tkachuk before he inevitably comes back down to Earth.

If it's inevitable, why on earth would anyone be the buyer?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Honestly if Flames could swing Tkachuk for Barzal + I would be down for that.

Barzal probably will be easier to sign.

Solves the question of another puck mover to take pressure off Gaudreau.

Lou would probably love Tkachuk.

I would personally rather have the Devils (fans) offer of 2ndOA+Holtz than Barzal. More cost control and easier to manage the short and long term of the team

[Hockey_Ninja]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1542569800098103297

Looks like you can cross the “Forsberg back-up plan” off the list

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

So... any actual news yet, or is everyone still just yelling about a falling sky?

Yes. Friedman on the Marek show said he expects Gaudreau may give the Flames an indication next week if he plans to stay or test free agency.

He also mentioned the Flames have a “huge offer” on the table that will likely be more than any other team will want to offer

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

At this stage even if they had an equal cap hit Lindholm>>Barzal

Calgary watches highlight reels of Barzal, and I was a fan for quite a while, but he has a pretty good disappearing act at times.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

https://twitter.com/user/status/1542569800098103297

Looks like you can cross the “Forsberg back-up plan” off the list

Yup, I said before that he wouldn't ever get to UFA, just stringing out the process to get his best deal. Gaudreau is the same thing. Grosse especially likes to drag things on to get his client the best deal, just like his RFA deal. I see history repeating itself and at some point Gaudreau will tell him to just get it done.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

You're assuming that the people running those teams are less informed than you are.



If it's inevitable, why on earth would anyone be the buyer?

Tkachuk is the type of player that generates a lot of energy. If you read other fan threads, the opinion is always "I can't stand that guy, but do I ever wish he played for my team".

There are all sorts of pundits sharing my exact same opinion....so maybe I'm totally wrong, and no GMs see Tkachuk as more than he actually he, due to a 100 point season, but it's worth looking.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Yes. Friedman on the Marek show said he expects Gaudreau may give the Flames an indication next week if he plans to stay or test free agency.

He also mentioned the Flames have a “huge offer” on the table that will likely be more than any other team will want to offer

Maybe it’s 11Mx8. Any other team would have to offer 12.5 to even come close. Even 11.5x7 is 7.5 M less. That’s a real test of $ versus travel/family etc versus a job for only 8 years (or less if traded or injured) of a long life.