You just know Eichel will get moved to a Pacific team that isn't the Flames. Mentally prepare yourselves.
We'll hear afterwards about how the Flames were in on him up until the final minutes and had a fair offer that Buffalo really liked, but in the end they chose the other offer over the Flames.
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You just know Eichel will get moved to a Pacific team that isn't the Flames. Mentally prepare yourselves.
We'll hear afterwards about how the Flames were in on him up until the final minutes and had a fair offer that Buffalo really liked, but in the end they chose the other offer over the Flames.
You just know Eichel will get moved to a Pacific team that isn't the Flames. Mentally prepare yourselves.
We'll hear afterwards about how the Flames were in on him up until the final minutes and had a fair offer that Buffalo really liked, but in the end they chose the other offer over the Flames.
I’d be worried but from reading it sounds like teams should stay very far away from him because he’s really not all that good and his injury is a death sentence for his career. Him going to the pacific is a best case scenario from what I understand since he’s going to cripple some poor franchise and it won’t be us. Yay!
I’d be worried but from reading it sounds like teams should stay very far away from him because he’s really not all that good and his injury is a death sentence for his career. Him going to the pacific is a best case scenario from what I understand since he’s going to cripple some poor franchise and it won’t be us. Yay!
No no lol, don't you get it? If his injury does turn out to be career altering it is an almost certainty that we will have blown up the roster to acquire him. That's how it works for the flames.
It's some sort of odd, quantum certainty type of event. The result of Eichel's injury/ surgery exist in a dual quantum state until we observe to whom he is traded to. Then the wave function will collapse and guarantee the worst possible outcome for this franchise.
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Ducks look to be the team. Plenty of cap space to take on a $10M player and enough pieces to surround him with an up and coming roster. Kings would be a close second, but they have a couple big tickets there in Kopitar and Doughty, so adding a third seems unlikely. Can you imagine spending $36.8M on four players? The rest of the roster will be pretty trashy.
No no lol, don't you get it? If his injury does turn out to be career altering it is an almost certainty that we will have blown up the roster to acquire him. That's how it works for the flames.
It's some sort of odd, quantum certainty type of event. The result of Eichel's injury/ surgery exist in a dual quantum state until we observe to whom he is traded to. Then the wave function will collapse and guarantee the worst possible outcome for this franchise.
Yup, either:
A) We trade for him, he's never healthy as a Flame but probably moves on eventually and goes back to being elite.
B) We almost trade for him, but another team swoops in and lands him and he's immediately amazing and it's a franchise altering trade for that team.
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Eichel would be ready to go at the start of the season from the sounds of it. This from a doctor interviewed by The Athletic
One surgical option is to replace the disk with an artificial one. This is a quick and simple procedure with a recovery time of 2-3 months. Rehabbing and delaying surgery risks a more serious injury that could lead to fusion surgery. That would come with more long-term complications and a longer recovery time. Even if Eichel’s injury doesn’t get worse next season, it could still bother him enough that it hurts his performance
I would be interested in more detail. Disk replacement itself isn't a new thing. I know someone who had it several years ago. It did not turn out well. Not only could that person not play sports again, she never had a normal life again.
Is there something different about this new procedure?
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A) We trade for him, he's never healthy as a Flame but probably moves on eventually and goes back to being elite.
B) We almost trade for him, but another team swoops in and lands him and he's immediately amazing and it's a franchise altering trade for that team.
C) along the lines of A. Flames get him, starts out with 23 points in the first 10 games. Flames top team in the league by 8 points. Then he reaggravates his neck injury ending his career. Flames finish the season with brett ritchie as their starting center losing every game post Eichel injury. Then draft 14th picking up hoarhei Rodriguez from the Mexico city highschool league.
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Are you high? Lol. He was a mediocre player as a D+2 in the OHL, played in the swedish third league and wasn't even a ppg, and not even a top 5 player in the english league. Total waste of a contract spot.
He was actually a pretty good OHLer in D+2 — similar numbers to Der-Arguchintsev, Damiani, and Foudy. and he had the fourth-best points-per-game in the EIHL despite having just turned 21 in January and being basically the only U-24 player of note in the entire league.
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C) along the lines of A. Flames get him, starts out with 23 points in the first 10 games. Flames top team in the league by 8 points. Then he reaggravates his neck injury ending his career. Flames finish the season with brett ritchie as their starting center losing every game post Eichel injury. Then draft 14th picking up hoarhei Rodriguez from the Mexico city highschool league.
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With some of these posts I'm seeing about the Eichel neck injury, I'm even more against including Matthew Tkachuk in a trade for Jack Eichel. I don't think I'd even do Tkachuk straight up for Eichel. Matthew is so much more valuable to the Flames than to gamble losing him for an injury prone player who in a worst case scenario, retires because Doctors say he can't play the sport anymore. The risk far outweighs the reward in my opinion.
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With some of these posts I'm seeing about the Eichel neck injury, I'm even more against including Matthew Tkachuk in a trade for Jack Eichel. I don't think I'd even do Tkachuk straight up for Eichel. Matthew is so much more valuable to the Flames than to gamble losing him for an injury prone player who in a worst case scenario, retires because Doctors say he can't play the sport anymore. The risk far outweighs the reward in my opinion.
I am more interested it acquiring Nolan P. And Debois as centers in the off season...maybe trade chucky for Dubois and Stanley and Oliver + for Nolan P.
I would be interested in more detail. Disk replacement itself isn't a new thing. I know someone who had it several years ago. It did not turn out well. Not only could that person not play sports again, she never had a normal life again.
Is there something different about this new procedure?
I was wondering the same thing, does someone have more insight into this type of surgery and examples of success and failures? Gary Roberts had a lot of problems as Flame with his neck injuries but then went on to have success elsewhere! I can't remember but I think he had a procedure done to create more space in the disk and maybe a disk fusion as well.
Would help if we had some examples of athletes with some measure of success with the (neck) disk replacement procedure. Maybe Buffalo has a point, and there is not enough evidence to support this type of procedure for a hockey player. Rest and recovery, fusions maybe have worked for some players, so that is worth the risk, sounds like this procedure would be venturing into new territory?
That said, I think if Calgary takes a risk they should offer a "future" first to kick in only if Eichel plays X amount of games. This way if we do lose a player we can still retain the first if Eichel can't play.
I was wondering the same thing, does someone have more insight into this type of surgery and examples of success and failures? Gary Roberts had a lot of problems as Flame with his neck injuries but then went on to have success elsewhere! I can't remember but I think he had a procedure done to create more space in the disk and maybe a disk fusion as well.
Would help if we had some examples of athletes with some measure of success with the (neck) disk replacement procedure. Maybe Buffalo has a point, and there is not enough evidence to support this type of procedure for a hockey player. Rest and recovery, fusions maybe have worked for some players, so that is worth the risk, sounds like this procedure would be venturing into new territory?
That said, I think if Calgary takes a risk they should offer a "future" first to kick in only if Eichel plays X amount of games. This way if we do lose a player we can still retain the first if Eichel can't play.
It's hard to find any recent studies on it. Rugby player Chris McQueen had disk replacement surgery and came back to play at a high level. But his comeback was considered a really big deal because it wasn't expected. It was widely predicted that he would have to quit.
It showed favourable results in general, but they also conclude that there isn't enough data. It's also worth mentioning that all of the sports studied were solitary games that didn't involve getting hit by another full grown man at 35+ km/h. They used competitors from sports like table tennis, skiing, archery, rafting, running, diving, etc... The athlete who competed in karate was probably the most violent sport used in the study and that athlete did in fact have to quit due to not being able to make fast turns without great pain.
Not sure how relevant any of the data is. Probably not very.
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It's hard to find any recent studies on it. Rugby player Chris McQueen had disk replacement surgery and came back to play at a high level. But his comeback was considered a really big deal because it wasn't expected. It was widely predicted that he would have to quit.
It showed favourable results in general, but they also conclude that there isn't enough data. It's also worth mentioning that all of the sports studied were solitary games that didn't involve getting hit by another full grown man at 35+ km/h. They used competitors from sports like table tennis, skiing, archery, rafting, running, diving, etc... The athlete who competed in karate was probably the most violent sport used in the study and that athlete did in fact have to quit due to not being able to make fast turns without great pain.
Not sure how relevant any of the data is. Probably not very.
It's hard to find any recent studies on it. Rugby player Chris McQueen had disk replacement surgery and came back to play at a high level. But his comeback was considered a really big deal because it wasn't expected. It was widely predicted that he would have to quit.
It showed favourable results in general, but they also conclude that there isn't enough data. It's also worth mentioning that all of the sports studied were solitary games that didn't involve getting hit by another full grown man at 35+ km/h. They used competitors from sports like table tennis, skiing, archery, rafting, running, diving, etc... The athlete who competed in karate was probably the most violent sport used in the study and that athlete did in fact have to quit due to not being able to make fast turns without great pain.
Not sure how relevant any of the data is. Probably not very.
I think this MMA fighter had the surgery being considered by Eichel:
