[Signing] Canucks extend Pearson (3 years, $3.25m AAV, NTC) - Page 2 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

dino7c · 04-08-2021, 05:00 PM

Trade protection for 3rd liners is never a good idea

The Cobra · 04-08-2021, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cowtown75

Not a good contract IMO. Guys like this can be picked up cheaper and they grow on trees. I don't understand the NTC or protection either. Will be 29 when next season starts as well. A bit of an unnecessary contract with a team in a similar spot as the Flames and not making the playoffs.

Well, he doesn’t have expansion protection.

And where is that 24 goal tree? Seems like Calgary missed out on it.

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dino7c · 04-08-2021, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Cobra

Well, he doesn’t have expansion protection.

And where is that 24 goal tree? Seems like Calgary missed out on it.

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I will bet you $1000 he doesn't put up 72 goals during this contract

24 is his career high and he did it once

Textcritic · 04-08-2021, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Interesting. He was one of the forwards who didn't get put on the COVID list. He's scored at a 24 goal pace for them so 3 million-ish isn't too bad.

Hughes is on the COVID list but Pettersson is one of the other forwards who isn't (probably because he was injured when the rest of the team got sick). I wonder if they use this stretch to try to make a deal with him too.

That second contract for Pettersson is a difficult one to predict: he's got all-world skill, and has yet to crack the 1.00 pts/GP. He was a beast in the playoffs last year, but has yet to play a complete, healthy season. The Canucks will most definitely need to pay for potential, but there is still a fair amount of risk there.

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Blaster86 · 04-08-2021, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

That second contract for Pettersson is a difficult one to predict: he's got all-world skill, and has yet to crack the 1.00 pts/GP. He was a beast in the playoffs last year, but has yet to play a complete, healthy season. The Canucks will most definitely need to pay for potential, but there is still a fair amount of risk there.

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If Pettersson gets anything other than a bridge I will be very shocked. Hell is be shocked if the plan was to ever give him anything other than a bridge.

He may very well end up being one of the best centers in the NHL. But he looked off all season in this strange covid year and, as you pointed out, has yet to remain healthy for any type of nhl season.

That said after the bridge you are likely throwing a max at him where as you may save some money on a long deal now.

powderjunkie · 04-08-2021, 05:43 PM

Clearly he's not as good as Kassian who was worth a 4 yr deal

MrMike · 04-08-2021, 05:49 PM

At this point, who would Seattle take over him?

powderjunkie · 04-08-2021, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMike

At this point, who would Seattle take over him?

Would it even be a problem to protect him?

Boeser
Horvat
Miller
Pettersson
Gaudette
Pearson
Virtanen...?

Who are you losers worried about losing?

Jacks · 04-08-2021, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Blaster86

3? no.

But our propensity to pay guys in our bottom six 3mil+ is a big part of our cap issue. With Podkolzin being one game away from being North America bound, it seems strange to give the guy he's likely pushing out of the top six more than 3 (Hoglander moves back to his proper left side). But also, it's not so much that he isn't better than Motte or Roussell but rather why spend this money when you can't also get rid of Roussell, who we are going to now pay (the magic number!) to sit in the press box next season.

Okay, maybe it's worse than I thought.
Real shame if it turned into another cap waster for the Nucks

CorsiHockeyLeague · 04-08-2021, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Blaster86

If Pettersson gets anything other than a bridge I will be very shocked. Hell is be shocked if the plan was to ever give him anything other than a bridge.

That would be a very stupid thing to do when you have an opportunity to get a good price on a long term deal for your #1C... so I agree, the Canucks will probably do it.

The Cobra · 04-08-2021, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

I will bet you $1000 he doesn't put up 72 goals during this contract

24 is his career high and he did it once

I’m not sure where I said he would score 24 goals per season for 3 years.

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Wolfman · 04-08-2021, 09:40 PM

memphusk · 04-08-2021, 09:51 PM

Vancouver is no good.

ricardodw · 04-08-2021, 10:15 PM

Is it better or worse contact than what the Flames gave 32 year old Derek Ryan

3.125 x 3

Ryan basically had a NTC at that value as no other team would take him.

PS Ryan put up more than 24 goals ... over the term of his deal 25 and counting

Flamenspiel · 04-08-2021, 10:16 PM

So you let TT go at 4 and sign this guy for 3, that makes no sense at all. This seems very short sighted and dumb.

TheScorpion · 04-08-2021, 11:52 PM

This is far worse than the Derek Ryan contract. Not close.

Ryan is a terrific two-way player and a better producer than Pearson.

Sylvanfan · 04-09-2021, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ricardodw

Ryan basically had a NTC at that value as no other team would take him.

I think you are bending things to suit your own narrative a bit there.

Earlier in the year no one wanted to assume Derek Ryan's contract for nothing, and pay a waiver fee. Doesn't mean he has no value. He won't return much, but I'm confident that the team will be able to trade him.

Prior to the Covid situation hand grenading the cap and revenues, Ryan is a player that the Flames would have been able to trade, and the way he had played, they likely would have needed something much nicer than they'll get to want to move him.

As for Pearson, given today's market conditions, I personally don't see why the Canucks handed out this money and term. But it's not a terrible contract either. Even with a flat cap...it's still over 80 million so a winger who can score 15 goals at 3 milion isn't ideal, but it's not that out of line.

Scroopy Noopers · 04-09-2021, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

This is far worse than the Derek Ryan contract. Not close.

Ryan is a terrific two-way player and a better producer than Pearson.

But but but what about the “basically a NTC” that wasn’t at all a NTC?

Erick Estrada · 04-09-2021, 06:55 AM

Seems like a luxury signing when the team is tight against the cap with some key RFA's primed for raises. Benning's love of bottom 6 forwards is one of the more bizarre things I have seen from any GM.

ricardodw · 04-09-2021, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

This is far worse than the Derek Ryan contract. Not close.

Ryan is a terrific two-way player and a better producer than Pearson.

I would be interested in any at all category where Ryan is a better producer.

Pearson produced at the Backlund level in 2019-20 45 pts each except Pearson had 21 goals to Backlund's 16.

Backlund loses his full NTC next year to a M-NTC where he gets to select 10 teams he will go to.

The Flames have locked up Backlund's golden years 33-35 for 3 x 5.35 Pearson is 28.

I am just saying that a Flames fans are living in a glass house when it comes to bad contracts compared to what they consider good contracts on the Flames.