Brad Treliving needs to go

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Burke had THE say in 2014. Fires Feaster then has amateur scout meeting where he sets attributes big, leaders, character

Go back to post draft interviews with Button on 2014 or any others. He literally says the attributes: Swedish Mattson "big, leader", Hunter Smith. This was all Burke

Feaster was about hockey sense. On Kanzig "we like his brain"

2015, 2016 taking Mangiapane etc "skill" whatever Treliving emphasized

Feaster’s hockey sense had him trade down past Wilson, Hertl, Teravainen, Ceci and Vasielvsky to get Jankowski.

I understand Feaster left drafting after the first round to his scouting staff. He certainly wasn’t the driving force behind Gaudreau.

[FanIn80]

I've been thinking about this for a couple days now, and I'm ready to hand the entire team over to Conroy and just see what happens. I mean, it can't get much worse than it is now, and the thought of Connie putting his stamp on things is pretty exciting.

I, for one, would very much welcome our new speed-talking overlord.

[Strange Brew]

Who will be the GM starting this offseason is the single biggest decision facing this club. I simply have no reason to believe Conroy is ready.

He has served under Feaster, Burke and Treliving. I’m interested in a new approach and someone who has learned in a more successful organization.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I've been thinking about this for a couple days now, and I'm ready to hand the entire team over to Conroy and just see what happens. I mean, it can't get much worse than it is now, and the thought of Connie putting his stamp on things is pretty exciting.

I, for one, would very much welcome our new speed-talking overlord.

But why?
He's one of the long tenured members of this management team. If you don't like where the team is - how can you overlook that Conroy had a role in that.

Moreover, why are we constantly complaining about having unproven coaches yet we are willing to head the keys to the entire franchise to an unproven GM?

Sorry just don't get it.
What has Conroy shown that makes you think he will be a better GM than BT?

[dammage79]

Drafting has been fine for the Flames. Only real set back was the Hamonic trade. We really didn't much value out of that trade. Who knows how that draft would've shaken down if we didn't make that deal but we could have gotten some solid depth in the organization.

Ah well. Here we are on the cusp of utter anarchy as Flames fans. But drafting is certainly not the problem. In fact, the problem is they haven't drafted enough. Looking for answers elsewhere instead of from within.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

But why?
He's one of the long tenured members of this management team. If you don't like where the team is - how can you overlook that Conroy had a role in that.

Moreover, why are we constantly complaining about having unproven coaches yet we are willing to head the keys to the entire franchise to an unproven GM?

Sorry just don't get it.
What has Conroy shown that makes you think he will be a better GM than BT?

Conroy would be your MacTavish

[bubbsy]

Throw out the entire lot. New blood, objective decision making, with no emotional connections to deter this.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

But why?
He's one of the long tenured members of this management team. If you don't like where the team is - how can you overlook that Conroy had a role in that.

Moreover, why are we constantly complaining about having unproven coaches yet we are willing to head the keys to the entire franchise to an unproven GM?

Sorry just don't get it.
What has Conroy shown that makes you think he will be a better GM than BT?

Honestly at this point, I just feel like he wouldn't have any concerns with just going in and shaking it all up. I feel like he'd have a better handle on what kind of coach these guys need, and I think he'd also understand better that you shouldn't force players to go against their strengths just to match the kind of coach you want.

Essentially Conroy doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that would build a skilled roster and then give them a dump and chase coach. Or a roster of grinders and give them a possession and transition coach.

That's the thing that peeves me the most right now. It's also what drives me bonkers when people suggest bringing back Sutter. We need someone that can coach the kind of systems that play to this roster's strengths.

Edit: Don't get me wrong, there's also a bit of "watch the world burn" in it for me too. Like even just watching him blow it all up would at least be more fun than watching Ward Hockey.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Drafting has been fine for the Flames. Only real set back was the Hamonic trade. We really didn't much value out of that trade. Who knows how that draft would've shaken down if we didn't make that deal but we could have gotten some solid depth in the organization.

Ah well. Here we are on the cusp of utter anarchy as Flames fans. But drafting is certainly not the problem. In fact, the problem is they haven't drafted enough. Looking for answers elsewhere instead of from within.

Also the Hamilton trade, even though Lindholm is my favorite player, and all the picks spent on depth players. This team should have been on the back half of a full rebuild, instead they cut it short and started trading away multiple 1st and 2nd round picks for veterans to "win now". People talk about blowing it up and rebuilding now, what a shame, all of the dirty work was done last time but they didn't have the patience to see it through. Why would it be different this time?

[agulati]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

But why?
He's one of the long tenured members of this management team. If you don't like where the team is - how can you overlook that Conroy had a role in that.

Moreover, why are we constantly complaining about having unproven coaches yet we are willing to head the keys to the entire franchise to an unproven GM?

Sorry just don't get it.
What has Conroy shown that makes you think he will be a better GM than BT?

That's a fair point. If you get rid of Tre, you have to get rid of the whole management staff. I think more so that people are thinking Conroy (or one of the other AGMs) gets an interim tag till you find a replacement.

I still don't know why we parted ways with Burke. It was very sudden if I remember correctly, which is odd. They had seemed very vested in the President of Hockey Ops/GM model.

[CroCop]

One thing BT has seemed to by real good at is second place on a number of big trades for a forward. Mark Stone, Zucker, Hall, Kadri and now supposedly Josh Anderson and PLD. The big problem aside from missing out would be how many guys are sitting in the Flames room knowing or thinking they were traded/offered and still there. I know their pros but I wonder if this could be a problem with their desire to still be here.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by CroCop

One thing BT has seemed to by real good at is second place on a number of big trades for a forward. Mark Stone, Zucker, Hall, Kadri and now supposedly Josh Anderson and PLD. The big problem aside from missing out would be how many guys are sitting in the Flames room knowing or thinking they were traded/offered and still there. I know their pros but I wonder if this could be a problem with their desire to still be here.

They weren't second place on Kadri. The deal was done - he refused to waive his NTC
They weren't second place on Zucker. The deal was done and something broke down on either the Wild or Flames' side.

We have no idea if they were second place on Anderson or PLD. Just that they were in the mix. Frankly the Flames didn't have anything similar to what the Jets gave up unless it involved Tkachuk.

So of that long list - the only accurate ones are perhaps Hall and Stone.

Perhaps you are right that it has impacted the guys involved though.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Honestly at this point, I just feel like he wouldn't have any concerns with just going in and shaking it all up. I feel like he'd have a better handle on what kind of coach these guys need, and I think he'd also understand better that you shouldn't force players to go against their strengths just to match the kind of coach you want.

Essentially Conroy doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that would build a skilled roster and then give them a dump and chase coach. Or a roster of grinders and give them a possession and transition coach.

That's the thing that peeves me the most right now. It's also what drives me bonkers when people suggest bringing back Sutter. We need someone that can coach the kind of systems that play to this roster's strengths.

Edit: Don't get me wrong, there's also a bit of "watch the world burn" in it for me too. Like even just watching him blow it all up would at least be more fun than watching Ward Hockey.

Except when quality assets are sent out for poor return as a rookie GM learns on the job and gets taken to school by his colleagues.
We've done that before. Not a re-run I care to watch again.

[Hackey]

No thanks to Conroy. Beyond being a complete rookie to the position I think he is way too much of a company guy. He's just going to toe the line. This organization needs someone willing to make the hard decisions and to me Conroy wouldn't be that guy. Hextall would have been a nice hire.

Not sure who is really out there for GM though. Hextall is gone. Dean Lombardi? Think I'd prefer Treliving.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Hackey

No thanks to Conroy. Beyond being a complete rookie to the position I think he is way too much of a company guy. He's just going to toe the line. This organization needs someone willing to make the hard decisions and to me Conroy wouldn't be that guy. Hextall would have been a nice hire.

Not sure who is really out there for GM though. Hextall is gone. Dean Lombardi? Think I'd prefer Treliving.

Lombardi started from scratch in SJ and built a good to contending team. Went to LA and built a 2 time SC champion. Mentored Hextall in LA, as well.

[CroCop]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

They weren't second place on Kadri. The deal was done - he refused to waive his NTC
They weren't second place on Zucker. The deal was done and something broke down on either the Wild or Flames' side.

We have no idea if they were second place on Anderson or PLD. Just that they were in the mix. Frankly the Flames didn't have anything similar to what the Jets gave up unless it involved Tkachuk.

So of that long list - the only accurate ones are perhaps Hall and Stone.

Perhaps you are right that it has impacted the guys involved though.

With respect. The fact that deals were done with Kadri and Zucker and they both ended up elsewhere would absolutely make the Flames second place in regards to those players.

[Azhouse]

I’d welcome Lombardi over Tre any day. Tre sux.

[JurassicTunga12]

Kings fans had nothing but good things to say about Lombardi when he left there iirc. I wouldn't mind him.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by CroCop

One thing BT has seemed to by real good at is second place on a number of big trades for a forward. Mark Stone, Zucker, Hall, Kadri and now supposedly Josh Anderson and PLD. The big problem aside from missing out would be how many guys are sitting in the Flames room knowing or thinking they were traded/offered and still there. I know their pros but I wonder if this could be a problem with their desire to still be here.

I do wonder about those players mentality knowing they were traded or offered in a trade that didn't go through. We're not exactly talking about the mentally toughest players around.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I do wonder about those players mentality knowing they were traded or offered in a trade that didn't go through. We're not exactly talking about the mentally toughest players around.

Most of those issues took place quite a while ago though. Initially I would agree that it probably had an impact. How could it not. But over time that would go away.

Players go through this every season. Pro sports would not be a good place for the faint of heart.