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[Fuzz]

Gaetz is the type of guy to go down flailing, and I really hope he latches on to a few others and takes them down with him.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Gaetz is the type of guy to go down flailing, and I really hope he latches on to a few others and takes them down with him.

After watching Trump slip out of every little and large "gotcha" sandal, and the GOP still excitedly supporting him, and then hearing about Marjorie Taylor Greene getting an standing applause from the GOP...

It feels like it is a forgone conclusion that since Gaetz is part of the GOP he will just be fine. And I get Trump was president and MTG didn't do anything illegal, different ball games compared to Gaetz.

Hopefully I am wrong and just overly cynical after the last 4 years.

God I hope you're right.

[Fuzz]

Maybe not Trump, but there are so many slime balls in that party that have probably done worse than Gaetz, that he probably knows their secrets. Those guys like to brag about conquests.

[bob-loblaw]

It will be survival of the fittest, if there is such a thing as a 'fit' GOP'r. Maybe Gym Jordan. When the GOP et al determines that he's a lost cause they'll all forget who he was. He's a minor figure compared to any Trump.

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Two things:



1. Lol at "The women of Matt Gaetz's office", yet no one puts their name on it

2. This was almost certainly written by a man, likely Gaetz himself

https://twitter.com/user/status/1380220265716649987

Could add this to r/menwritingwomen subreddit

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Mull

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It feels like it is a forgone conclusion that since Gaetz is part of the GOP he will just be fine. And I get Trump was president and MTG didn't do anything illegal, different ball games compared to Gaetz.

Hopefully I am wrong and just overly cynical after the last 4 years....

Gaetz is going down. No way he escapes this.

Haha, autocorrected Gaetz to Gretzky. I’m glad I proofread.

[Nyah]

Meanwhile, don't say mean things or be critical of AOC on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1380284997785948162

https://twitter.com/user/status/1380284999807590400

https://twitter.com/user/status/1380285001334321153

https://twitter.com/user/status/1380285002357776385

[dobbles]

But isn't that exactly how the system is supposed to work? The cops came to investigate and then everyone realized there was nothing malicious going on and everyone moves on with their life.

Yet we still have stuff like this going on: https://www.latimes.com/california/s...-for-a-suspect

Black man gets manhandled by police and arrested for taking out his trash while black. Don't see any outrage from ya on that one, eh?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by dobbles

But isn't that exactly how the system is supposed to work? The cops came to investigate and then everyone realized there was nothing malicious going on and everyone moves on with their life.

Well, no, presumably they have the complaint in front of them, which should provide details of what the alleged harassment was. If it's that tweet, and not something else that the person in question is hiding that is more serious / concerning, then no visit to his house was necessary on the face of the complaint.

This is Los Angeles - the Police don't even have the bandwidth to investigate most property crimes. Yet because the purported "victim" was in a position of authority, they took the time out of their day to look into a "threat" that appears to have been nothing. That is absolutely not how the system is supposed to work - that is the wielding of political influence to obtain uneven protection by the legal system. And while I think saying "I felt scared, intimidated, and violated" is totally over the top based on having Police officers ask you some questions, there is an undeniable intimidation aspect that is always at play in police interactions - most people would be nervous in a situation like that regardless of whether they've done anything wrong.

So yeah, not a good look, and something that should be looked into as to how and why it happened - although as noted, if he's full of crap and the tweet wasn't the cause, and there was an actual credible threat, no need to look any further.

Originally Posted by dobbles

Yet we still have stuff like this going on: https://www.latimes.com/california/s...-for-a-suspect

Black man gets manhandled by police and arrested for taking out his trash while black. Don't see any outrage from ya on that one, eh?

This is the sort of thing that makes this forum so, so much worse. The fact that you can find a totally unrelated story that he didn't post about, and use it to imply that he's racist because he wasn't outraged about this other time something happened to a black person, is despicable. I've said it before, but this sort of thing should be bannable.

[PepsiFree]

If you think this person is being honest, of course.

This person wrote a twitter post on April 7 saying AOC's response was "underwhelming," the Capitol Police flagged it, began investigating it, found their name and address, forwarded it to State Police, and State Police were at their door the next afternoon.

Just using basic logic, does this sound believable to anyone?

[Nyah]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Just using basic logic, does this sound believable to anyone?

Initially I didn't believe it either, but it's been confirmed that they did in fact show up to someone's private residence at the direction of capitol police:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1380518330902183939

[Nyah]

Originally Posted by dobbles

Black man gets manhandled by police and arrested for taking out his trash while black. Don't see any outrage from ya on that one, eh?

...

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Nyah

Initially I didn't believe it either, but it's been confirmed that they did in fact show up to someone's private residence at the direction of capitol police:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1380518330902183939

I'm aware the police visit was confirmed, but the idea that it was *that* tweet is ridiculous, given the timeframe.

Haven't seen anything confirming direction by the Capitol Police yet, and an AOC spokesperson denied their involvement. So, as this tweet says, it remains to be seen who sent them and why.

EDIT: Like, looking back through their posts, this is the same person who said the US government was a "killing machine we need to kill." I have trouble believing "underwhelming" was what got them in trouble.

EDIT 2: They also said "Death to America" is the only acceptable, moderate position. LOL

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I'm not convinced that Ryan Grim is right about the Police's willingness to out her. I guess someone might leak it, maybe, but generally speaking I wouldn't expect them to disclose the source of a complaint. Regardless, "look into it" doesn't mean "only look into it if it was actually AOC or her staffers who personally caused this to happen"; if it was just some overzealous police person somewhere, that's worth finding out and dealing with as well.

The thing I don't necessarily believe is that the tweet he suggested was the only thing that could have led to the police visit actually was what led to the police visit... the timeframe isn't that implausible to me, but I'm just too used to people crying foul and then having someone point out, "actually, it had nothing to do with that tweet, it was the weekly letters you kept sending her office about getting what's coming to her".

But who knows. She has some pretty ardent supporters. Maybe one of them wanted to rid her of a meddlesome priest.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm not convinced that Ryan Grim is right about the Police's willingness to out her. I guess someone might leak it, maybe, but generally speaking I wouldn't expect them to disclose the source of a complaint. Regardless, "look into it" doesn't mean "only look into it if it was actually AOC or her staffers who personally caused this to happen"; if it was just some overzealous police person somewhere, that's worth finding out and dealing with as well.

The thing I don't necessarily believe is that the tweet he suggested was the only thing that could have led to the police visit actually was what led to the police visit... the timeframe isn't that implausible to me, but I'm just too used to people crying foul and then having someone point out, "actually, it had nothing to do with that tweet, it was the weekly letters you kept sending her office about getting what's coming to her".

But who knows. She has some pretty ardent supporters. Maybe one of them wanted to rid her of a meddlesome priest.

I think the timeframe is short given the severity of the tweet being referenced. That's a faster turnaround time than some actual threats receive.

And, having had to bail on their timeline around November 2020, the calls for "death to America" and similar messages became kind of overwhelming. It wouldn't surprise me if "underwhelming" was the absolute nicest thing they've said about AOC.

[rubecube]

It's really too bad that conservatives have cried wolf so many times about the media and tech companies, because there are legitimate conversations to be had about how much power they wield.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1380598232569495553

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by rubecube

It's really too bad that conservatives have cried wolf so many times about the media and tech companies

The mental gymnastics required to blame "conservatives" for this are truly impressive... Do you think it's possible that perhaps they weren't crying wolf and had an actual point, and that you chose to trivialize what were at their core legitimate grievances because the only people getting hurt at the time happened to be people you don't like?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The mental gymnastics required to blame "conservatives" for this are truly impressive... Do you think it's possible that perhaps they weren't crying wolf and had an actual point, and that you chose to trivialize what were at their core legitimate grievances because the only people getting hurt at the time happened to be people you don't like?

Not really blaming conservatives per se. I think it's akin to the identity politics stuff. Yes, there are legitimate conversations to be had about race, etc., but prioritizing the more trivial aspects of the conversation tends to damage the conversation as a whole.

[AltaGuy]

Originally Posted by Nyah

Meanwhile, don't say mean things or be critical of AOC on Twitter.

So you took this Twitter account at their word because... You don't like AOC?

[Krovikan]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I think the timeframe is short given the severity of the tweet being referenced. That's a faster turnaround time than some actual threats receive.

And, having had to bail on their timeline around November 2020, the calls for "death to America" and similar messages became kind of overwhelming. It wouldn't surprise me if "underwhelming" was the absolute nicest thing they've said about AOC.

That Twitter account and its followers are all sorts of nuts, wow, I would assume something was deleted.

But she also got into a fight with a GOP candidate defending AOC (that was all sorts of weird). But she also interacts with a lot of extreme right and left people. This Twitter account seems to have merged the horseshoe of the political spectrum into the circle of the political spectrum.

My guess, the Capitol Hill Police are on high alert for crazy accounts that they have flagged, the account tweeted something else, then deleted it after the police showed up.

I'm still confused as to how some of these people can think that Trump won, and Burnie is their savour? what a strange world.