in the dream world that i live in we got to keep Ferland in the Canes deal and we never signed James Neal. I think a line of Bennett - Janko - Ferland could have been a lot of fun
Please, can we please mix up PP2 for a while and see what happens? Can we please try Rasmus on the point? Throw someone in front of the net? Look for traffic, shots and ugly rebound goals? All I know is that unit does not have the skill to be making fancy passing plays.......just get it back to the point and rip it. I don't care at all how predictable it is.
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If you look at five on five stats Frolik is 1.56/60 minutes in point production. Bennett is 1.41/60 minutes in point production.
Not a big gap. So enough with the "full stop" and "miles better" ... neither are true.
And I agree ... neither is likely a long term answer.
If it's all the same to you, I think I will keep those opinions as i believe they are entirely true.
Bennett simply isn't good enough to warrant second line minutes, and perhaps Frolik is no longer good enough either, but Frolik is much better suited than Sam and that is all i said to begin with. You disagree....good, as that is what discussion is supposed to be.
If this is Peters just trying to get something out of Bennett no one else has, then I guess that's fine but I think we have enough data and sample size to conclude it very likely isn't going to happen. Square peg/round hole thing...though this club always seems to have one or more of those going on.
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Please, can we please mix up PP2 for a while and see what happens? Can we please try Rasmus on the point? Throw someone in front of the net? Look for traffic, shots and ugly rebound goals? All I know is that unit does not have the skill to be making fancy passing plays.......just get it back to the point and rip it. I don't care at all how predictable it is.
Remove Neal and Bennett to start...add a Jankowski and Frolik.
See what happens anyhow.
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If it's all the same to you, I think I will keep those opinions as i believe they are entirely true.
Bennett simply isn't good enough to warrant second line minutes, and perhaps Frolik is no longer good enough either, but Frolik is much better suited than Sam and that is all i said to begin with. You disagree....good, as that is what discussion is supposed to be.
If this is Peters just trying to get something out of Bennett no one else has, then I guess that's fine but I think we have enough data and sample size to conclude it very likely isn't going to happen. Square peg/round hole thing...though this club always seems to have one or more of those going on.
I've agreed that neither are good 2nd line options at this point, but the team has little else.
I don't even disagree on Bennett's future, and that with every passing game it's more and more unlikely that he's going to be a full on 2nd line player.
I just don't see this chasm between Frolik and Bennett that you think is a runway, slam dunk given. They are microscopically separated in almost every single measure ... production or underlying.
Is there a place to look up avg TOI/PP? I would think that the 2nd unit often only pick-up 20-40 seconds of PP time per opportunity, typically starting from their own zone after the PK clears the puck.
Is there a place to look up avg TOI/PP? I would think that the 2nd unit often only pick-up 20-40 seconds of PP time per opportunity, typically starting from their own zone after the PK clears the puck.
That's a good question, and this is probably true of most cases, but there are certainly also instances when Peters starts the second unit on the powerplay. He did it last night.
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That just means he is good enough and reliable enough to be out there at crucial moments.
Bennett has played over 60 minutes on the PP...2 points. 2.
Frolik has declined somewhat, but he is still a much better option than Bennett and his abysmal offensive production.
When has Frolik impacted a game when he doesn’t score? At least Bennett rocks guys, fights, agitates and gets under the other teams skin. As Bingo has pointed out there numbers are identical but Froliks empty netters support your take he is outpacing Bennett. I would prefer to give the younger guy the opportunity when their impact is similar.
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Is there a place to look up avg TOI/PP? I would think that the 2nd unit often only pick-up 20-40 seconds of PP time per opportunity, typically starting from their own zone after the PK clears the puck.
Interesting ...
I pulled the powerplay data and then removed the top five powerplay guys from each team by ice time. Then I totalled the point totals on the powerplay and total minutes for all remaining players by team.
Calgary is ranked 29th in terms of powerplay production per minute played of all players not in the top five of the powerplay in terms of minutes.
The non top five is 7th in ice time in the NHL with over 500 minutes and only 15 total scoring points.
Calgary's top five is obvious ... they are ranked 4th in total scoring points as a top unit and 6th in output by minute.
The optimist inside me thinks that Smith needs to look at some video with his coaches and sort some things out. Hopefully there's still a chance of redemption. Really good news about Rittich though
When has Frolik impacted a game when he doesn’t score? At least Bennett rocks guys, fights, agitates and gets under the other teams skin. As Bingo has pointed out there numbers are identical but Froliks empty netters support your take he is outpacing Bennett. I would prefer to give the younger guy the opportunity when their impact is similar.
Frolik is one of the best wingers on the team defensively ... getting out of your own zone is important in getting into the opposition zone, but then I don't think he's the driving force that Bennett can be.
I think that's why Peters goes back and forth. He's taking two incomplete players and trying to find one of them that can complement two guys that are built to contribute.
I often come away from games thinking we'd really miss Bennett if he was out personally.
We played a bunch of soft games at the start of the season, and the wins were tougher to come by largely because of it. It was pretty clear we needed a little more grit or we'd be playing intimidated all season.
On Nov 1, Bennett turned his season around entirely IMO and hasn't looked back
I think for a lot of people, that Colorado game was the real turning point from 'potential' to 'it's happening' and that fight had everything to do with that W.
Goal-scoring... he needs to get there. But I love what he brings to the top-9 outside of the scoresheet
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