[News] Steinberg: Tkachuk eager to sign long-term

[Owen15]

I’ll happily rock my Tkachuk and Gio (with an A).

[Split98]

I think we will! Didn't Czarnik wear 27 in Boston?

Originally Posted by Owen15

I’ve said this a few times in different threads...

I’ve goodwilled a couple jerseys. And then a couple years ago I attend a corporate thing for the season opener and get a gratis Hamilton jersey.

I wonder if we see a new #27... or some lucky person is getting it.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Monahan, Gaudreau, Ehlers, Pastarnak, Barkov, Mackinnon, Forsberg, Larkin, are all some nice comparables in that ~6.5M range signed by 60 point forward+ at the time.

Ehler's in particular is nice as it kicks in this year, he signed it coming off a 25-39-64 season as a left winger less than a year ago. 6M at 7 years. Not at all the same type of player, but a pretty strong comparable to him. Especially with Ehlers scoring 29 last year. Would be hard to argue that he's significantly worthy of more cash than Ehler at this stage of his career.

Of course then we have Draisaitl making 8.5M...

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Split98

I think we will! Didn't Czarnik wear 27 in Boston?

Flames have already officially announced Czarnik will wear 27.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Yeah Keith was notorious with his multiple holdouts and threats of holdouts. But more importantly was that he was extremely supportive of his teammates for holding out as well. He criticized teams for not paying their players what they were worth. It's a changed landscape compared to then, but I don't think Matthew having Keith as a father is a benefit in this regard

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coyotes...ldout-tkachuk/


http://web.archive.org/web/199902092.../hfb3how1.html

Wow, if I'm reading capgeek correctly, he made $21m his first couple seasons with St Louis.
https://www.capfriendly.com/players/keith-tkachuk

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by savardandjokinen

I don’t think he’s as expensive as people are saying

8 years somewhere between 6-6.5 mil

He's not going to sign an 8 year deal at that amount, but could easily sign for 6 years at those numbers

The problem from his point of view of an 8 year deal is that it makes him a UFA 2-years older, than a 6-year deal which makes it quite a bit more difficult to get that next 8 year deal.

[FanIn80]

Since the start of the 2016-17 season, the only two forwards with superior shot rates to Tkachuk’s are a pair of Bruins: Patrice Bergeron and Brad Marchand. That’s pretty elite company and speaks to how mature Tkachuk’s game is this early in his career.

To be up over 56% with a negative offensive zone start ratio is notable, especially considering the caliber of opposition Tkachuk faces on a nightly basis. And, despite a defensively slanted role, his five-on-five scoring sits in the top third of NHL forwards.

20 years old.

[Racki]

I could see something like $50,000,000 over 8 years.

Cap hit is manageable at $6,250,000 and $50,000,000 is a helluva big number. Both parties walk away feeling like they won.

[カナダ人です]

Why not the same 6 x $5.5M deal Horvat got last year?

[blender]

Love the player but don't think he's worth more than 5.5 right now. Obviously he will have a higher AAV as the Flames buy some years/pay for potential, but I think it is 6.5ish.

[blender]

Originally Posted by カナダ人です

Why not the same 6 x $5.5M deal Horvat got last year?

Higher cap, but I agree with your point.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Racki

I could see something like $50,000,000 over 8 years.

Cap hit is manageable at $6,250,000 and $50,000,000 is a helluva big number. Both parties walk away feeling like they won.

I could see that too, and that would be a bargain for what he brings IMO. I have a feeling Tkachuk's contract is going to be the biggest in Flames history. But the kid is worth every penny. He's going to be the heart and soul of the Franchise, if he isn't already.

[Husky]

Flames will have to overpay in the short term for future potential. 50mm 8 years seems like a nice round number.

[Husky]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Wow, if I'm reading capgeek correctly, he made $21m his first couple seasons with St Louis.
https://www.capfriendly.com/players/keith-tkachuk

And by looks, he has spent a fair amount on cheeseburgers.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Monahan, Gaudreau, Ehlers, Pastarnak, Barkov, Mackinnon, Forsberg, Larkin, are all some nice comparables in that ~6.5M range signed by 60 point forward+ at the time.

Ehler's in particular is nice as it kicks in this year, he signed it coming off a 25-39-64 season as a left winger less than a year ago. 6M at 7 years. Not at all the same type of player, but a pretty strong comparable to him. Especially with Ehlers scoring 29 last year. Would be hard to argue that he's significantly worthy of more cash than Ehler at this stage of his career.

Of course then we have Draisaitl making 8.5M...

The only guy on your list that will be the heart and soul of the franchise might be Mackinnon.... but in colorado there was Landeskog who was made captain just before he turned 20. Landeskog got extended with a year left on his ELC (same situation as Tkachuk) 5.571 x 7 with the cap at 64.3

The cap has gone up to 79.5 and increase of 15.2M or 23.6 %

5.571 x 1.23639 = 6.89

890k yr premium to be captain over someone like Ehlers... seems pretty reasonable. like a deal. just for talking to the press.


I think that pretty much everyone is boosting Tkachuk's scoring stats as he is the only guy on Oling's list ( outside of Larkin) that had as weak linemates as Backlund and Frolik.

Do the Flames wait a year and see what numbers puts up this coming season 60, 70 or 80 ?[/QUOTE]

[red sky]

Cap increase is 15.2mm an increase of 24% if the numbers you pulled are correct. You were off by 10mm

[Heavy Jack]

The Flames currently have 7.54 mill in cap space and are set to have 7.75 million worth of one way contracts come off the cap by next off season (15.29 mill) With Noah taking a 7 x 4.75 type contract that brings our expected cap space by next offseason to 10.54 mill.

Smith - 4.25 mill
Lazar - 950k
Kulak - 900k
Hathaway - 850k
Prout - 800k

Players expecting a Raise
Bennett - 1.95 - increase to 3 x 3.575 (+1.58) (Backlund’s bridge deal)
Tkachuk - 925k - increase to 8 x 6.75 (+5.825)

That uses 10.325 mill up and doesn’t consider player bonuses, the need to either reup Smith for a year or find a veteran backup, graduating Andersson/Valimaki/Dube etc.

Frolik and Stone are the odd men out at some point this season or by next offseason at the latest IMO.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Sam has to do something more to earn that raise

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Sam has to do something more to earn that raise

I feel we need a poll for his production next year... cause really what else are we doing in August

[Heavy Jack]

I think depending on the year Bennett has that he will have done enough by that point in his career than Backlund had done by the end of 14-15 when he extended for 3 x 3.575 especially with how much the cap has increased.

Backlund
Year _ GP _ G _ A _ Pts _ +\-
9/10 _ 23 _ 1 _ 9 _ 10 _ +5
10/11_ 73 _ 10 _ 15 _ 25 _ +4
11/12 _ 41 _ 4 _ 7 _ 11 _ -13
12/13 _ 32 _ 8 _ 8 _ 16 _ -6
13/14 _ 76 _ 18 _ 21 _ 39 _ +4
14/15 _ 63 _ 11 _ 18 _ 29 _ +4 *includes playoffs

Bennett
Year _ GP _ G _ A _ Pts _ +\-
14/15_ 12 _ 3 _ 2 _ 5 _ -1 *includes playoffs
15/16_ 77 _ 18 _ 18 _ 36 _ -11
16/17_ 81 _ 13 _ 13 _ 26 _ -16
17/18_ 82 _ 11 _ 15 _ 26 _ -18

Bennett has been a lot more durable than Backlund thus far and about as productive if not slightly more consistently through his first 3 full seasons and that can be attested in large part to the amount of games he’s been able to average per season. If he can take a step forward I think he’s easily worth a 3 x 3.575 type bridge deal.