I don't think the ref calls VAR it's the reverse.
The ref was over there breaking up the fight. Brazilians are in his face asking for red. VAR calls down saying wait sec let's see what happened. Yes Neymar should get booked but soccer will never change.
When Pepe fell VAR just laughed.
You just randomly make a series of events up Girly and pass them off as what actually happened?
For one. I don't recall for a fact that VAR was consulted. You sure it was? And secondly VAR goes both ways.
As much as play acting as that was what are you going to book him for? Layun did stand on him.
As Martin O'Neill just said....it would be entertaining to be at the doctors office to see Neymar get his flu shots.
Brazil look like they are going to go deep into this tournament. I still think Firmino should start over Jesus, but that may just be my bias shining through.
It's a shame Neymar is so unlikable, because I really enjoy watching the rest of the Brazil side.
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Can't win a game only on counter attacks which is where Mexico caught the sleeping Germans. Hammered vs the Swedes, and Brazil always had at least 3 back even on offensive corners to prevent the dart break against.
Neymars antics aside, an intentional step on the ankle to a guy down in walking a very fine red card line.
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I don't get the yellow card chatter about Neymar, the Mexican clearly stepped on him. Could easily have been a red card that way. A no call was really the best choice unless there was real damage done.
Anyways its all a side show, Brazil was clearly better and looks to have a solid defence as well. Thats the best i have ever seen Willian play, I had no idea he was that fast and first goal was a classic by any standard.
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Yellow card for play acting. Like hockey a hook and a dive.
Fantastic idea. Let's add a ton of subjectivity to the yellow card process. A bunch of refs running around making decisions on whether or not they think someone is hurt.
Clattenburg just said that Layun should have been red carded IF VAR had been consulted (which it wasn't) for a deliberate stamp and violent conduct.
That bit is clear. But to start taking an arbitrary decision on whether or not to card Neymar based on an individual subjective opinion of their level of hurt is just silly.
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Body of work. It's really not as difficult as you make out. In this particular instance, I agree you probably shouldn't give him a card, but on the other hand, it might have a salutary effect on embellishment if they started punishing the obvious fakers.
As far as it being a judgement call, well, the refs make judgement calls all the time. That's what they're paid for.
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Fantastic idea. Let's add a ton of subjectivity to the yellow card process. A bunch of refs running around making decisions on whether or not they think someone is hurt.
Clattenburg just said that Layun should have been red carded IF VAR had been consulted (which it wasn't) for a deliberate stamp and violent conduct.
That bit is clear. But to start taking an arbitrary decision on whether or not to card Neymar based on an individual subjective opinion of their level of hurt is just silly.
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Fantastic idea. Let's add a ton of subjectivity to the yellow card process. A bunch of refs running around making decisions on whether or not they think someone is hurt.
Clattenburg just said that Layun should have been red carded IF VAR had been consulted (which it wasn't) for a deliberate stamp and violent conduct.
That bit is clear. But to start taking an arbitrary decision on whether or not to card Neymar based on an individual subjective opinion of their level of hurt is just silly.
It’s football and players overreact, Neymar is also Neymar. He got stepped on his recently injured ankle. While some clearly are annoyed by his reaction he was stepped on. Played a superb game and kept a cool head throughout while getting again fouled the entire game. I don’t think a player should be putting their cleats on anyone’s ankles when play is stopped, that’s usually a red.
Thiago Silva was an absolute beast today, might be Brazil’s best player this tournament. Has been flawless patrolling the back line with Miranda.
What is Clattenburg talking about. VAR looks at everything. They either don't call down. Or they call down to get another minute to look at it.
So it was deemed accidental or not worth a red.
VAR does NOT make decisions on whether something is accidental or card worthy.
VAR make recommendations for reviews. The only person who can initiate the review is the referee.
You don't know what, if anything was said between VAR and the ref. FACT. Despite your earlier claim that they were talking and your latest that VAR dismissed it as not worthy.
Clattenburg is saying that if the ref had initiated VAR there is a high likelihood that the evidence would have resulted in a straight red for a deliberate stamp.
Body of work. It's really not as difficult as you make out. In this particular instance, I agree you probably shouldn't give him a card, but on the other hand, it might have a salutary effect on embellishment if they started punishing the obvious fakers.
As far as it being a judgement call, well, the refs make judgement calls all the time. That's what they're paid for.
It's just too grey an area for me and would create more problems than it would solve.
Pepe getting tapped on the back and holding his face? Clear embellishment and no problems with a card there.
Player gets softly stamped on and rolls around holding his ankle? You just can't ascertain what is real and what is not.
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It's just too grey an area for me and would create more problems than it would solve.
Pepe getting tapped on the back and holding his face? Clear embellishment and no problems with a card there.
Player gets softly stamped on and rolls around holding his ankle? You just can't ascertain what is real and what is not.
Agreed. Cant be the refs opinion to decide how hurt he is. I hope sometime soon we see a harsh punishment for a dive to get the ball rolling on stamping (get it?) out the play acting, but it needs to be on a play where there is no subjectivity.
Neymar's reaction was embarrasing, but that stamp was real and intentional, even if it was mostly harmless.
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