Matheson does his best "WWE" slam on Pettersson - Update: 2 game suspension

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

And all the testimony in the world is unlikely to override clear physical evidence – such as the perpetrator being caught on video doing something that requires intent.

This is not a civil case where someone is caught on tape hurting another person. This happens in a hockey game where people regularly slash, whack and tackle other players.



By your logic these all should be judged as intent to injure which they aren't- they are penalized by penalties such as slashing or roughing.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by locsofblu

You're totally missing the point. The enforcer doesn't even have to fight. Him being dressed is enough of a deterrent to not take liberties with your star players. If you think otherwise you should watch the documentary ice guardians it makes a great case why enforcers are still needed in today's games.

This is a nice story but not bearing in reality. There was a ton more dirty play when the league was loaded with enforcers than there is now with very few.

[Trailer Fire]

The fact that there is a debate about if this is a hockey play or not is a sad statement in itself. The hit and the pin are fine, but the extra push to the ice when Petterson is already offbalance/falling is over the line. I don’t care if Matheson was “in the moment” or whatever, it’s still a reckless and dangerous play.

I hope those of you arguing in favour of this kind of “play” ***don’t*** have children in hockey, because I’d like to see how quickly your opinion changes when the exact same play happens to your kid, and they end up with a brain injury.

This play isn’t part of the game, and never should be. Stupid, reckless, and dangerous.

EDIT: missed a very, very important word. I do not wish I’ll upon anyone’s child.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Trailer Fire

I hope those of you arguing in favour of this kind of “play” have children in hockey, because I’d like to see how quickly your opinion changes when the exact same play happens to your kid, and they end up with a brain injury.

Classy.

[Scroopy Noopers]

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[Trailer Fire]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I’m so set in my point that this is an unacceptable play that if you disagree with me... I hope your kid suffers brain damage.



Amazing.

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Classy.

See above edit. Missed a very important word. I wish no harm on anyone’s children, and I don’t want to come off as that kind of person.

[RtotheK]

just like Monika Caryk

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Trailer Fire

The fact that there is a debate about if this is a hockey play or not is a sad statement in itself. The hit and the pin are fine, but the extra push to the ice when Petterson is already offbalance/falling is over the line. I don’t care if Matheson was “in the moment” or whatever, it’s still a reckless and dangerous play.

I hope those of you arguing in favour of this kind of “play” ***don’t*** have children in hockey, because I’d like to see how quickly your opinion changes when the exact same play happens to your kid, and they end up with a brain injury.

This play isn’t part of the game, and never should be. Stupid, reckless, and dangerous.

EDIT: missed a very, very important word. I do not wish I’ll upon anyone’s child.

Slashes, cross checks, and face punching also aren't part of the game and it feels to me like people here are changing the goal posts because of the particular player that got hurt as if this happens to a 3rd or 4th line player for any team it's not even news worthy. The play was unnecessary but I find it hard to believe it was premeditated intent to injure nor is the play over the top dirty. I think any check from behind into the boards is much more dangerous and dirty than that play and we saw Andersson take one of those shots Saturday night without even a penalty call on the play.

If anything I think this calls into question Pettersson's ability to play in the league at his current weight. It was only game five after all and he's going to probably face more physical or even dirtier plays than that over the course of the season.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Do you see the difference in terms of "hockey play", though? Leaving aside face punching (which is part of a weird consensual ritual both players fighting agree to, otherwise it's a sucker punch and thus suspendable), typically, slashes and cross-checks are done for a clear hockey purpose. You slash a guy to prevent a scoring chance or to get him to give up the puck so your team can get it. You cross-check a guy in front of the net to clear your crease so your goalie can see the puck, and won't give up a goal. Even a some of the reckless headshots are done to relieve a puck carrier of the puck and hopefully generate a transition play (they're not all predatory, even if they're suspendable).

To the extent those plays are done deliberately and for no other reason than to hurt the opponent, serving no hockey purpose, they're potentially suspendable too. If you're nowhere near the puck and cross-check an unsuspecting player in a way that could lead to injury, you deserve a call from the DOPS.

Here, pinning Pettersson to the boards serves a hockey purpose. You take him out of the play and allow the puck to get to your teammate so it can go the other way, and if you hold on a bit long (which might be interference or holding), that serves a hockey purpose too, because there's more open ice for your team's rush. But once that puck is heading up ice, there's no hockey purpose to putting your stick between the guy's legs and slamming him into the ice. There's a decent chance that a guy falling in that way could get hurt, and you've deliberately made him fall that way (in violent fashion). That's reckless and doesn't serve a hockey purpose.

That's why I don't think you can call it a hockey play. The first part of what Matheson did is a hockey play, for sure, but no one's complaining about the first part.

[locsofblu]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

This is a nice story but not bearing in reality. There was a ton more dirty play when the league was loaded with enforcers than there is now with very few.

Then why are the stars of today getting injured way more then back then. Gretzky Lemieux etc never had to worry about concussions as much as today's NHL. That is why I'll never be convinced that the NHL is more capable of protecting their players. Imo it's not huge detterent suspending a player a few games here and there while salaries are through the roof. Today guys can afford to miss games and still live their lives normally like nothing has even happened. Put a guy like George Larauque in the line up and that guy is ####ting himself for the next week even if he doesn't have to fight him. Call it barbaric but it actually makes sense. I guess we can agree to disagree .

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by locsofblu

Then why are the stars of today getting injured way more then back then. Gretzky Lemieux etc never had to worry about concussions as much as today's NHL.

Your memory is faulty then bro. Enforcers did not save stars like Paul Kariya, Eric Lindros and Marc Savard from being concussed multiple times and knocked out of the league due to concussions in Savard’s case.

The stars of today aren’t getting injured way more than back then. You’re just failing to remember it accurately.

[Resolute 14]

Also, the way we dealt with concussions back then was smelling salts and get back out there.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Also, back then, shoulder pads looked like this.



At last check, this year's line of pads is pretty much a reproduction of what the Legion of Doom used to wear... and I'm not talking about the Flyers' line.

[saXon]

Elias Petter-slam

[locsofblu]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Your memory is faulty then bro. Enforcers did not save stars like Paul Kariya, Eric Lindros and Marc Savard from being concussed multiple times and knocked out of the league due to concussions in Savard’s case.

The stars of today aren’t getting injured way more than back then. You’re just failing to remember it accurately.

True back then those were classified as legal hits I'm not saying that it was perfect back then because it definitely wasn't but after watching that documentary ice guardians it really makes a good case for having someone out there policing the players.
Let's say there's no discipline assessed or he gets a fine and Pettersson mises a substantial amount of time because if this? Then really where is the deterrent for buddy to not do the exact same thing again? It's a valid argument and call me old school but it's just how I feel.
But I appreciate the feed back.

[Textcritic]

Bob MacKenzie just tweeted that Pettersson will be out at least 7–10 days. He will likely miss four games.

[drewtastic]

Kinda comical twitter thread, with respect to the responses Francis is getting here...(comical in the “That didn’t turn out how he expected” kind of way...)

https://twitter.com/ericfrancis/stat...093478400?s=21

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by drewtastic

Kinda comical twitter thread, with respect to the responses Francis is getting here...(comical in the “That didn’t turn out how he expected” kind of way...)

https://twitter.com/ericfrancis/stat...093478400?s=21

This one better win:
Elias Petter-Slam

[FanIn80]

NSFW!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1051866058682904576

[Resolute 14]

So when was the hearing, anyway? Given they bothered to schedule one means they're going to be thinking of the children and at least fining Matheson. Hopefully no more than that.