With a neck held together with a $1,000 part. Very concerning.
These replacement discs unusually rely on the bone in the spine to grow into the device to keep it in place and promote stability. This takes time. Something to consider.
Honestly, considering the pieces being discussed here (Dube/Valimaki/Monahan), it's a risk worth taking. My only holdup would be protection on any 2022 or 2023 firsts due to Bedard/Wright/Michkov. Protect those picks from those three players, and I don't care if this gamble fails. LTIRetirement for Eichel, and you rebuild. At least you went down swinging. That's what sports is about. Whether it was the 2019 Bluejackets or the 2014 Kings, they went for it.
__________________
"May those who accept their fate find happiness. May those who defy it find glory."
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to GranteedEV For This Useful Post:
I'm allowing myself to get excited. Let's go win a Cup.
I refuse to get too excited until I know it's actually happening. This is the Flames we're talking about. We very rarely get to have nice things, and at this point I'm pretty much at peace with the fact that we'll likely get screwed once again. It is what it is.
But if by some miracle this does happen? Holy s***. I might actually cry.
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to direwolf For This Useful Post:
Honestly, considering the pieces being discussed here (Dube/Valimaki/Monahan), it's a risk worth taking. My only holdup would be protection on any 2022 or 2023 firsts due to Bedard/Wright/Michkov. Protect those picks from those three players, and I don't care if this gamble fails. LTIRetirement for Eichel, and you rebuild. At least you went down swinging. That's what sports is about. Whether it was the 2019 Bluejackets or the 2014 Kings, they went for it.
I completely agree. Go down swinging. The worst thing that could possibly happen if the Flames go for Eichel and it doesn’t work out is a rebuild. Sign me up for the risk.
We’re spinning our tires anyways!
The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to Nelson For This Useful Post:
So if Eichel gets the surgery, will he even play next season?
According to the release from the agent, had Buffalo allowed him to get the surgery when he wanted to, he would have been back for the start of the season. Sounds around 3 months recovery.
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Robbob For This Useful Post:
I completely agree. Go down swinging. The worst thing that could possibly happen if the Flames go for Eichel and it doesn’t work out is a rebuild. Sign me up for the risk.
We’re spinning our tires anyways!
I agree, but does Tre agree? Eichel blows up in our face he’s gone in maybe a year.
If he doesn’t make that trade and we do our normal playoffs and keep it close he could do that forever here.
If you read the article in the first post it says he will be able to play by the start of the season if he gets the surgery done soon
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
There in lies the problem. There is a massive difference of opinion on this point. Eichel’s camp is all sunshine and a unicorns, trying to get you to believe the problem will be magically cured by a surgery never done in an NHL player. The Sabres are much more pragmatic on this and leaving it to the medical experts to make the call. Their opinion is quite different and they weigh risk into the equation. Anyone who is not weighing risk with any surgery is a fool, especially spinal surgery. Recovery time could be as little as two-three months, but could be multiples of that if there are any complications. There just isn’t enough information to make a definitive call, and when you’re talking about a $10M investment you do all the due diligence possible. An organization as risk adverse as the Flames makes question where they stand on this.
Think this plays into the flames’ hands. If you’re the Sabres’ GM, this kind of public statement would make me angry. If the offers from 2-3 teams are close, I’ll choose to send him to the city I think he’d least prefer. Which between Anaheim and Calgary… it’s likely Calgary.
There in lies the problem. There is a massive difference of opinion on this point. Eichel’s camp is all sunshine and a unicorns, trying to get you to believe the problem will be magically cured by a surgery never done in an NHL player. The Sabres are much more pragmatic on this and leaving it to the medical experts to make the call. Their opinion is quite different and they weigh risk into the equation. Anyone who is not weighing risk with any surgery is a fool, especially spinal surgery. Recovery time could be as little as two-three months, but could be multiples of that if there are any complications. There just isn’t enough information to make a definitive call, and when you’re talking about a $10M investment you do all the due diligence possible. An organization as risk adverse as the Flames makes question where they stand on this.
Story time…
This is my personal experience and of course these guys have the best care so obviously different.
I have had multiple spinal surgeries do to the disks in my back. Shaving down the vertebrae (decompression) and disk is relatively simple. I do however have a numb knee that will never heal do to permanent nerve damage as the process to get surgery took too long. My brother has a spinal fusion in his back. This is quite a bit more serious and does pretty much limit harsh exercise.
I had a fellow come into my work and we were chatting it up before I went for surgery and he told me that he had a serious accident and that they wanted to do a disk replacement in his neck. Was pretty rare procedure at the time and could go side ways quick. It ended up going okay and he showed me the after pictures. I never asked how active he can be from that point on however.
Anyway. My personal opinion that a neck disk replacement is pretty serious. Obviously why they are having issues agreeing as what to do.
Edit: rare procedure
Last edited by Your Calgary Flames!; 07-30-2021 at 09:26 PM.
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Your Calgary Flames! For This Useful Post:
There in lies the problem. There is a massive difference of opinion on this point. Eichel’s camp is all sunshine and a unicorns, trying to get you to believe the problem will be magically cured by a surgery never done in an NHL player. The Sabres are much more pragmatic on this and leaving it to the medical experts to make the call. Their opinion is quite different and they weigh risk into the equation. Anyone who is not weighing risk with any surgery is a fool, especially spinal surgery. Recovery time could be as little as two-three months, but could be multiples of that if there are any complications. There just isn’t enough information to make a definitive call, and when you’re talking about a $10M investment you do all the due diligence possible. An organization as risk adverse as the Flames makes question where they stand on this.
What complications have they found more common in this surgery than fusion?
There in lies the problem. There is a massive difference of opinion on this point. Eichel’s camp is all sunshine and a unicorns, trying to get you to believe the problem will be magically cured by a surgery never done in an NHL player. The Sabres are much more pragmatic on this and leaving it to the medical experts to make the call. Their opinion is quite different and they weigh risk into the equation. Anyone who is not weighing risk with any surgery is a fool, especially spinal surgery. Recovery time could be as little as two-three months, but could be multiples of that if there are any complications. There just isn’t enough information to make a definitive call, and when you’re talking about a $10M investment you do all the due diligence possible. An organization as risk adverse as the Flames makes question where they stand on this.
To add to that, how do they define success for this kind of surgery? If they are trying to say he will be pain free and not have a risk of reinjury, diminished effectiveness, or a shortened career, I call their bluff.
He’s a $10 million player, but if I am Treliving, I would not assume $10 million worth of contributions from him.
For those just saying to rebuild if it doesn’t work, the deal would almost certainly mortgage the future. It would be a loooong road to rebuild.
__________________
"A pessimist thinks things can't get any worse. An optimist knows they can."
