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Old 06-03-2019, 09:41 PM   #21
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Only a 5th for Kevin Hayes After giving up a 1st rounder + Brendan Lemieux + conditional 4th rounder just to get him as a rental??

Bahahahahah wow! Jets get fleeced. Love it!
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Old 06-03-2019, 09:44 PM   #22
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Philly is a strange team to look at right now.

The most movable asset might be Vorocek, but that is a 8.25M cap hit for five years, taking him to 34 years old.

Everyone else is a superstar, or a ELC or RFA.

They would likely enjoy trading Van Rymsdyk, but I'm not sure who would touch that. There defense is pretty set, with 3 of 4 of their biggest cap hits hitting UFA next year, with no reason to bring them back. Sandheim and Provorov look like the top pair of the very near future.

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Why would they trade a recent free agent signing who scored 27 goals in an injury shortened season? Big, goal scorer, young and when he came back the lines became more balanced and allowed the Flyers to play better hockey.
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Old 06-03-2019, 09:46 PM   #23
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I think these trades are dumb and they donít happen in other sports. Why any player would sign at this point in the season is beyond me.

Good for the Jets for getting something for nothing.
I think we underestimate how stressful UFA time is for these guys. Especially a player like Kevin Hayes.

Philly was probably pretty high on his destination list, and it's not like the Flyers are known for cheaping out on guys. So if Philly wanted you enough to trade a 5th, they'll probably be willing to sign you to something starting with a 6, and you can go about enjoying your summer.

Now, someone's rights get traded to Edmonton or Buffalo, see you Canada Day.
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Old 06-03-2019, 09:55 PM   #24
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Jets will likely get nothing for something from this deal, not something for nothing. Getting back only a 5th rounder for a player like Kevin Hayes is just pittance and when you factor in what the Jets had to give up to get him before it's like getting robbed blind.

Once again, Jets get fleeced. Philly took the candy from the baby.
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Old 06-03-2019, 10:02 PM   #25
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Before we get too far ahead of ourselves. They still have to sign Hayes. I mean, I've always been of the belief you do trade for a pending UFA without having the contract already agreed upon with the blessing of the other team, but you never know. Philly may have just chucked a 5th away for nothing.
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Old 06-03-2019, 10:02 PM   #26
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Jets will likely get nothing for something from this deal, not something for nothing. Getting back only a 5th rounder for a player like Kevin Hayes is just pittance and when you factor in what the Jets had to give up to get him before it's like getting robbed blind.

Once again, Jets get fleeced. Philly took the candy from the baby.
They were never going to get anything close to what they gave up for Hayes. If the Jets knew he wasn't coming back then they might as well get something back instead of nothing when he leaves on July 1st. Philly offered a pick, the Jets thought 'might as well', and here we are. You can't compare the pick today to what they gave up to get him, totally different circumstances.
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Old 06-03-2019, 10:15 PM   #27
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Also pushes the player out of the conference


Get a pick back and avoid the Stasny nightmare where he leaves for nothing and signs with the team that just eliminated you
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Old 06-03-2019, 10:19 PM   #28
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Couturier+Patrick for Johnny? Lol I might say yes to that but otherwise take a hike
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Old 06-03-2019, 10:28 PM   #29
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Hayes should wait for window at least to talk. I have to think Tre sees the risk that Hayes in Philly presents to Gaudreauís next contract. Iím thinking Hayes could be a target for us for real to pre-empt phillys plan.
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Old 06-03-2019, 10:40 PM   #30
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Hayes is Backlund without the defence. Why would Johnny want to leave to play with a guy who barely breaks 20 goals and 45 points?
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Old 06-03-2019, 11:12 PM   #31
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Hayes is Backlund without the defence. Why would Johnny want to leave to play with a guy who barely breaks 20 goals and 45 points?
They're good friends and college buddies. They might not play on the same line and that wouldn't be his sole reason for leaving, but having Hayes around on top of playing for his favorite team and close to family would be appealing.

But I also think that it's all too early to predict this stuff. Hayes might not sign with Philly or be traded to another team in three years, and who knows what Johnny thinks. I think it'll ultimately come down to how successful the Flames are in that time and whether they will still contend after that.
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Gaudreau is also tight buds with Monahan. They both have Doodles as pets. They were roomies at one point.
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Old 06-04-2019, 02:30 AM   #33
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Johnny is not going anywhere.
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Johnny is not going anywhere.
I dunno,

Gaudreau for Couturier + 11 OA + 65 OA

Hall for Brodie + Jankowski + 11 OA + 65 OA

Hall - Couturier - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Monahan - Bennett
Mangiapane - Backlund - Dube
Czarnik - Ryan - Hathaway

I donít know what you do with Neal...
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Jets will likely get nothing for something from this deal, not something for nothing. Getting back only a 5th rounder for a player like Kevin Hayes is just pittance and when you factor in what the Jets had to give up to get him before it's like getting robbed blind.

Once again, Jets get fleeced. Philly took the candy from the baby.
This is the reality of acquiring rental players at the deadline. Lots of Flames fans wanted to send a 1st round pick out for a rental that probably wouldn't have moved the needle for the Flames in the playoffs and we would be having the same discussion about the Flames getting fleeced. Sure the Blue Jackets won a round for the first time ever but now they have to deal with the fact that they have no 1st round pick in the upcoming draft. I don't see that organization being better long term after that deal although maybe it was worth it in that it helped provide fans with a small taste of playoff success and may have sold a few more season tickets.

Big issue I see for the Jets is that they are one of the best teams in the league when it comes to making astute picks in the 1st round and they have shipped out 1st round picks in back to back seasons now for players that haven't made a difference for them in the playoffs. Trades like this eventually start to take their toll on organizational depth going forward.

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Old 06-04-2019, 06:48 AM   #36
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Johnny is not going anywhere.
Neither is Couturier but that hasn't stopped many here from putting his name in a lot of trade scenarios with the Flames.
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We are gonna regret trading Johnny before giving him an upgrade on centre.
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Old 06-04-2019, 07:05 AM   #38
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Max value for Johnny right now - let's do a 2019 Lindros deal with them.
Elite players simply are not worth as much in a cap world, as elite players take up cap room. There is a limit to how many you can afford.

And Johnny will never be confused with Lindros.
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Old 06-04-2019, 07:10 AM   #39
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Jets get fleeced. Love it!
Thatís how rentals work. Except the fleecing happened months ago, not yesterday.
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I think we underestimate how stressful UFA time is for these guys. Especially a player like Kevin Hayes.

Philly was probably pretty high on his destination list, and it's not like the Flyers are known for cheaping out on guys. So if Philly wanted you enough to trade a 5th, they'll probably be willing to sign you to something starting with a 6, and you can go about enjoying your summer.

Now, someone's rights get traded to Edmonton or Buffalo, see you Canada Day.
Once Philly makes you that offer, itís not going away July 1. I donít understand the stress myself.

These trades donít seem to happen in other sports. But the NHL isnít known for being avant garde exactly.
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