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Old 05-30-2019, 08:18 AM   #201
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Exactly. That's what I'm saying. 8.5 x 5 is best case scenario for the Flames.

These young guys have caught on. They don't sign for what they are worth now. They sign for what they will be worth in a couple years. So many contracts in the past were signed to only become great deals for the team's in a year or two (Gaudreau, McKinnon, Pasta..) I think we will start to see more and more players hold out for a season to get what they deserve.
I bet you are incorrect - I just think Treliving will do better than that. Personally, I'd rather see a 3rd year player hold out than overpay him for "future production" which may never pan out. And if he holds out, I'm not signing him for the whole year. That was a huge mistake with Nylander. Also, Tkachuk has no arb rights, plus 5 years buys what - only one UFA year? To me this is either a 3 year deal or 7-8 year deal. If it's 5 it's less than 8.5.
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Old 06-06-2019, 02:03 AM   #202
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To me this is either a 3 year deal or 7-8 year deal.
Agree, but as every day passes I'm leaning towards a 2-3 yr deal for Gio cap money
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Old 06-06-2019, 06:38 AM   #203
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I'm actually not worried in the least as Treliving has probably done better than any other GM in recent history when it comes to not overpaying in this situation.
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Old 06-06-2019, 11:13 AM   #204
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I honestly think, as good as he is, you don't want thachuk past age 28 in this NHL.

His footspeed will be decreasing by then and we can't have that.

I rather pay him for 3 years and then go to arb if we have to until he is a UFA then let someone else sign him.

or get him on a 5 year contract at just over 7.5 and leave it at that.
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Old 06-06-2019, 11:49 AM   #205
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I honestly think, as good as he is, you don't want thachuk past age 28 in this NHL.

His footspeed will be decreasing by then and we can't have that.

I rather pay him for 3 years and then go to arb if we have to until he is a UFA then let someone else sign him.

or get him on a 5 year contract at just over 7.5 and leave it at that.
28? Way, way, way too early to be worried about a decline. Tkachuk is slow right now and it still doesn't hinder him. He is so good down low and in the corners. His vision and creativity will allow him to be a great player into his 30's.

Marchand is 31 and had 100 points this year.
O'Rielly is 28 and just had his best season ever.
Couture just put up 20 points in 20 playoff games at 30 years old.
Mark Stone isn't a great skater and look how highly teams value him at 28 years old.
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Old 06-06-2019, 12:23 PM   #206
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I honestly think, as good as he is, you don't want thachuk past age 28 in this NHL.

His footspeed will be decreasing by then and we can't have that.

I rather pay him for 3 years and then go to arb if we have to until he is a UFA then let someone else sign him.

or get him on a 5 year contract at just over 7.5 and leave it at that.
What? Why would this suddenly happen at 28-years-old? This is absurd.
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Old 06-06-2019, 12:31 PM   #207
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28? I hope he doesn't play that long. I don't want to see him moving around the ice with his walker!

In all seriousness, talking about needing to make a player's first contract outside ELC shorter because they might decline due to age at the end of it is asinine.

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Old 06-06-2019, 01:08 PM   #208
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28? Way, way, way too early to be worried about a decline. Tkachuk is slow right now and it still doesn't hinder him.
We can also hope Tkachuk hires Draisaitl's skating coach, I seem to remember him being called the "slow German"
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Old 06-14-2019, 09:47 AM   #209
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The Score chimes in with their prediction.

https://www.thescore.com/news/1784245

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"I feel like every year there's a couple guys, a couple big names every year who kind of change the way a little bit," Tkachuk said in February. "I think Auston changed it, too, going with the approach (of) a five-year deal, too. Maybe people haven't seen that in a couple years, but it's not, like, uncommon. Guys used to do that all the time. He definitely set the bar."

Tkachuk is a near lock to become Calgary's highest-paid player. The 21-year-old's deal will carry an average annual value of at least $7 million and could potentially reach $9 million depending on the length and what other RFAs sign for.

Verdict: 6 years, $51 million ($8.5M AAV, 10.2 CH%)
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The Score chimes in with their prediction.

https://www.thescore.com/news/1784245
I doubt it. Tkachuk should get a lesser % of the cap than Gaudreau. If he's not willing to accept that on a 6 year deal, I suspect he will be a training camp holdout.
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Old 06-14-2019, 10:14 AM   #211
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If its a tough negotiation just give him a hard hit. That always makes him wilt.

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Old 06-14-2019, 10:16 AM   #212
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I doubt it. Tkachuk should get a lesser % of the cap than Gaudreau. If he's not willing to accept that on a 6 year deal, I suspect he will be a training camp holdout.
Yeah, I don’t personally agree with the Score’s assessment either.
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Old 06-14-2019, 11:07 AM   #213
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This is a hope for the best, prepare for the worst scenario. The fact is, if Tkachuk’s contract comes in under 7.5 at anywhere 5+ years, it’d be a huge bonus for the Flames. Coming in 1 million above that certainly won’t be ideal, but it would be in line with the reality of recent contracts.

Hoping for a lower % of the cap than Gaudreau is not happening, unless you mean at the time of signing. Gaudreau’s was 9.3%, which would put Tkachuk at 7.7 per year, which is possible.
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This is a hope for the best, prepare for the worst scenario. The fact is, if Tkachuk’s contract comes in under 7.5 at anywhere 5+ years, it’d be a huge bonus for the Flames. Coming in 1 million above that certainly won’t be ideal, but it would be in line with the reality of recent contracts.

Hoping for a lower % of the cap than Gaudreau is not happening, unless you mean at the time of signing. Gaudreau’s was 9.3%, which would put Tkachuk at 7.7 per year, which is possible.
Ya 7.5-7.7 is reasonable on a 6 year deal I think. If he wants 5 years, then I think you have to stick to your guns and keep it around 6.75. 8 years is the only way I give him 8.5.
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Old 06-14-2019, 12:02 PM   #215
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What? Why would this suddenly happen at 28-years-old? This is absurd.
People look at the peak ages averages at players without accounting for skill level. It strikes me that the skilled guys extend their peaks a lot longer than the rest. I could be wrong but that's my impression.
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People look at the peak ages averages at players without accounting for skill level. It strikes me that the skilled guys extend their peaks a lot longer than the rest. I could be wrong but that's my impression.
these are also the guys that never win their keeper fantasy leagues because they're obsessed with collecting only recently drafted players, and are compelled to jettison anyone on their roster 25 and over because they're probably a broken down veteran with no trade value by that point.
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Old 06-15-2019, 05:06 AM   #217
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I think Tre will make his moves to free up some cap space before he gets to this contract. If he signs this first and it is a high number other gm's no he is in a corner and will offer less on trades. I understand they already know he needs to make cap space but they don't know how much , which takes away some of there edge.
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