06-20-2023, 04:17 PM
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06-20-2023, 04:28 PM
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There can only be one Zemgus Girgensons.
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06-20-2023, 04:50 PM
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It's kind of funny how that draft ended up working...the 2012 draft was bad for the most part. Only 5 players taken in the 1st round became all-stars, 4 of them all taken with picks between where the Flames traded down to.
14. Girgensons - All Star
15. Ceci
16. Wilson - All Star
17. Hertl - All Star
18. Teravainen
19. Vasilevskiy - All Star
20. Laughton
21. Jankowski
Ouch...Thanks Feaster and Weisbrod.
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06-20-2023, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
It's kind of funny how that draft ended up working...the 2012 draft was bad for the most part. Only 5 players taken in the 1st round became all-stars, 4 of them all taken with picks between where the Flames traded down to.
14. Girgensons - All Star
15. Ceci
16. Wilson - All Star
17. Hertl - All Star
18. Teravainen
19. Vasilevskiy - All Star
20. Laughton
21. Jankowski
Ouch...Thanks Feaster and Weisbrod.
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Those guys made the all-star team? Girgensons career high was 30 points. Wilson 52.
Only ones that look like legit all stars are Vasilevskiy and Hertl.
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06-20-2023, 05:14 PM
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Grigenson's got in via a push from Latvia during fan voting.
Calling him an all star is a bit miss leading. He's an all star like John Scott is an all star.
Again there was nothing wrong with the Jankowski pick or moving down. They had a guy they liked and they picked up an extra 2nd. Jankowski was a big fast skilled centre. Those are the guys I want the team picking, where they have a big upside.
Doesn't mean it always works out, but it's an approach I wish the team used more often.
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06-20-2023, 05:17 PM
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Looking at that list the miss would have been Teravainen 406 points in 594 games if we forget the goalie hit and miss issues with 1st round picks.
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06-20-2023, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Grigenson's got in via a push from Latvia during fan voting.
Calling him an all star is a bit miss leading. He's an all star like John Scott is an all star.
Again there was nothing wrong with the Jankowski pick or moving down. They had a guy they liked and they picked up an extra 2nd. Jankowski was a big fast skilled centre. Those are the guys I want the team picking, where they have a big upside.
Doesn't mean it always works out, but it's an approach I wish the team used more often.
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Except Janko was ranked in the 40s. There's a really good chance he's still around by the second round. And almost every other player would have helped the Flames.
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06-20-2023, 05:44 PM
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No it was generally known other teams were going to take him if the Flames didn’t
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06-20-2023, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
No it was generally known other teams were going to take him if the Flames didn’t
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I've only ever heard one team was thinking about it and it was a big maybe.
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06-20-2023, 05:58 PM
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Everyone likes the trade down because 100 times out of 100 the team comes out and says it got the guy they were targeting anyway so it feels like free money.
The Flames have rarely traded up from what I can remember, at least in the first round. I would like to see them do that more often but of course it helps to have some picks in order to do it.
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06-20-2023, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
No it was generally known other teams were going to take him if the Flames didn’t
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Maybe the Flames should have let them take him and taken Teravainen instead. I think that's the point.
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06-20-2023, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
Maybe the Flames should have let them take him and taken Teravainen instead. I think that's the point.
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And my point is that the approach to take a good skating, big, and skilled center is a good one. If that player develops he's more valuable than a guy like Teravainen.
The approach was sound. Sometimes sound approaches don't lead to the ideal outcome.
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06-20-2023, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
And my point is that the approach to take a good skating, big, and skilled center is a good one. If that player develops he's more valuable than a guy like Teravainen.
The approach was sound. Sometimes sound approaches don't lead to the ideal outcome.
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BPA is the best approach. If you're constantly reaching you may hit on those picks, but you don't do that in the first round. Take the BPA and use it as an asset because it's more of a known quantity that you can rely on. Then take your swings in the other rounds.
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If we can't fall in love with replaceable bottom 6 players then the terrorists have won.
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06-20-2023, 06:08 PM
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A fair deal for Girg and his sons.
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06-20-2023, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
BPA is the best approach. If you're constantly reaching you may hit on those picks, but you don't do that in the first round. Take the BPA and use it as an asset because it's more of a known quantity that you can rely on. Then take your swings in the other rounds.
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They thought they were taking BPA.
It wasn't a reach unless you are just comparing to the THN draft I guess. Jankowski was a guy that was higher on many lists and taken about where he should have gone.
The Flames were very high on him and thought he could be a top 6 centre.
They were wrong.
That happens.
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06-20-2023, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
The Flames were very high on him and thought he could be a top 6 centre.
They were wrong.
That happens.
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Why do you have to bring Sam Bennett up?
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06-21-2023, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
BPA is the best approach. If you're constantly reaching you may hit on those picks, but you don't do that in the first round. Take the BPA and use it as an asset because it's more of a known quantity that you can rely on. Then take your swings in the other rounds.
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The point is, the Flames obviously thought Janowski was the BPA.
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06-21-2023, 06:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
They thought they were taking BPA.
It wasn't a reach unless you are just comparing to the THN draft I guess. Jankowski was a guy that was higher on many lists and taken about where he should have gone.
The Flames were very high on him and thought he could be a top 6 centre.
They were wrong.
That happens.
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I stand to be corrected, obv. But I really haven’t seen a single list that had him anywhere in round one.
They were wrong, but to me it also seemed like they wanted to prove they were smarter. Which was a bit of a calling card for those two.
EDIT: Button had him round one but no one else:
https://thehockeywriters.com/mark-ja...the-wild-card/
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06-21-2023, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
I stand to be corrected, obv. But I really haven’t seen a single list that had him anywhere in round one.
They were wrong, but to me it also seemed like they wanted to prove they were smarter. Which was a bit of a calling card for those two.
EDIT: Button had him round one but no one else:
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I recall seeing some lists that had him going in round 1
However, I think there is also some truth to the notion that Feaster and Wisebrod thought they were smarter than everyone else, and their egos clouded the decision
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