04-11-2016, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
Among the other innovations, he was the first one to try counter battery artillery to silence enemy guns.
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Interesting technique. I have heard of a creeping barrage before but not this one. Using the flash from the gun and the resulting boom to determine location, usually figured out within 3 minutes. Pretty damn impressive for a time that had no computers at all. Used all the way up to the Vietnam war.
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04-11-2016, 10:33 AM
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Norm!
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Not to derail, but I've always hated that they called WW1 the great war. It was such a bloody waste, and all caused by the tensions created by the alliances at the time, colonialism and the assassination of a nobody.
"Home by Christmas" and "a good adventure for our boys" were common phrases used to drag young boys to a horrible war and face a terrible death.
One of the last wars where chemical warfare was used as part of a armies SOP.
Between living in rat infested water filled trenches for weeks at a time while your feet rotted off, to going over the wall into pre defined killing areas, to getting hit with horrifying choking and blistering agents, there was nothing great about this war.
There was an eventually to it.
I've always defined the period between WW1 and WW2 as the phony peace. There was only one World War and it started in 1914 and ended in 1945.
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04-11-2016, 10:35 AM
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#23
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Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Sylvan Lake
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
Not to derail, but I've always hated that they called WW1 the great war. It was such a bloody waste, and all caused by the tensions created by the alliances at the time, colonialism and the assassination of a nobody.
"Home by Christmas" and "a good adventure for our boys" were common phrases used to drag young boys to a horrible war and face a terrible death.
One of the last wars where chemical warfare was used as part of a armies SOP.
Between living in rat infested water filled trenches for weeks at a time while your feet rotted off, to going over the wall into pre defined killing areas, to getting hit with horrifying choking and blistering agents, there was nothing great about this war.
There was an eventually to it.
I've always defined the period between WW1 and WW2 as the phony peace. There was only one World War and it started in 1914 and ended in 1945.
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Death's Men is a great read on life in WW1.
####ing horrible, I can't even comprehend life during that conflict.
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04-11-2016, 10:36 AM
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Location: SW Calgary
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The chemical warfare would be particularly horrifying
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04-11-2016, 10:37 AM
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay
Interesting technique. I have heard of a creeping barrage before but not this one. Using the flash from the gun and the resulting boom to determine location, usually figured out within 3 minutes. Pretty damn impressive for a time that had no computers at all. Used all the way up to the Vietnam war.
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Artillary at that point was mostly fixed. It was difficult to tear it down, hook it to a truck or horse and drag it to the next location. so the idea of shoot and scoot didn't exist. So it was pretty academic in terms of the biggest threat to your troops being artillery, there fore it had to go.
For the most part with WW2, because of concepts like the Blitzkrieg and the advent of both lighter guns with heavier shells, and self propelled mortars and artillary, it became more difficult to fix and destroy artillary because for the most part you'd fire three or four barrages and then get moving to keep up with your army.
By the end of the second World War artillery had caught up to Infantry and armor in terms of its mobility, The Katushka was the ultimate in terms of WW2 artillery.
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04-11-2016, 10:41 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SW Calgary
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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother
Death's Men is a great read on life in WW1.
####ing horrible, I can't even comprehend life during that conflict.
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Ordered. Thanks for the recomendation
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04-11-2016, 10:50 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
I've always defined the period between WW1 and WW2 as the phony peace. There was only one World War and it started in 1914 and ended in 1945.
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I have always thought this way as well. In fact, in many European countries, they don't have the "WW1/WW2" names attached to the conflicts. That seems more like a North American thing.
Even the more recent Balkan Wars of the 1990s can be traced back to pre-WW1 political issues that were unresolved and the peace agreements/punishments put in place against the countries that lost in WW1.
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04-11-2016, 10:52 AM
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Norm!
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
I have always thought this way as well. In fact, in many European countries, they don't have the "WW1/WW2" names attached to the conflicts. That seems more like a North American thing.
Even the more recent Balkan Wars of the 1990s can be traced back to pre-WW1 political issues that were unresolved and the peace agreements/punishments put in place against the countries that lost in WW1.
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Its funny, because if you look at it, nearly every war in the 20th century was caused by French bungling.
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04-11-2016, 10:54 AM
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#29
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My father-in-law's Dad fought in both. He was an underager in WW1, got mustard gassed. He then re-upped in his 40's for WW2. I cannot imagine. He came home from both wars but died at the age of 55. Alcoholism did him in I think. He never really knew his Dad.
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04-11-2016, 11:01 AM
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#30
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http://www.canadiangreatwarproject.com/
If you want to learn more about the war and Canada's involvement.
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04-11-2016, 11:25 AM
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Just saw this thread. And I see that it's already been mentioned, but anyone who has the opportunity to visit the memorial should do so. It really is stunning.. It's an incredibly moving experience, that all Canadians should go through if they get the chance.
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04-12-2016, 04:21 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
Not to derail, but I've always hated that they called WW1 the great war. It was such a bloody waste, and all caused by the tensions created by the alliances at the time, colonialism and the assassination of a nobody.
"Home by Christmas" and "a good adventure for our boys" were common phrases used to drag young boys to a horrible war and face a terrible death.
One of the last wars where chemical warfare was used as part of a armies SOP.
Between living in rat infested water filled trenches for weeks at a time while your feet rotted off, to going over the wall into pre defined killing areas, to getting hit with horrifying choking and blistering agents, there was nothing great about this war.
There was an eventually to it.
I've always defined the period between WW1 and WW2 as the phony peace. There was only one World War and it started in 1914 and ended in 1945.
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I may be wrong but I think it was called the "great war" not because we won but because at the time it was the first global war, it had the largest death toll for a time period and in the end it also and paved the way for major political changes across the world.
The "Home by Christmas" and "a good adventure for our boys" was a normal type slogan from the U.S Civil War till the end WWII and probably longer, nothing shocking at all.
I do agree though that it didn't create peace but then again we still don't have global peace!
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04-12-2016, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by T@T
I may be wrong but I think it was called the "great war" not because we won but because at the time it was the first global war, it had the largest death toll for a time period and in the end it also and paved the way for major political changes across the world.
The "Home by Christmas" and "a good adventure for our boys" was a normal type slogan from the U.S Civil War till the end WWII and probably longer, nothing shocking at all.
I do agree though that it didn't create peace but then again we still don't have global peace!
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It was also called the war to end all wars, but we know how that turned out
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04-12-2016, 11:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by T@T
I may be wrong but I think it was called the "great war" not because we won but because at the time it was the first global war, it had the largest death toll for a time period and in the end it also and paved the way for major political changes across the world.
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Nah there had been other large world enveloping wars, the Napoleonic Wars jump to mind.
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The "Home by Christmas" and "a good adventure for our boys" was a normal type slogan from the U.S Civil War till the end WWII and probably longer, nothing shocking at all.
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I actually think that the "Home by Christmas" was/is associated with WW1. To be honest I have never seen it associated with the US Civil War, but I might be wrong.
I seem to think it may have been used at the start of the Korean conflict.
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04-12-2016, 11:59 AM
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Just a reminder that the Somme 100th is this June/July, so have a look out for that. A few of our soldiers (alas, not me) will get a nice trip to Belgium and France to go on numerous parades and other events.
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04-12-2016, 11:59 AM
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Aeneas
Pierre Berton's Vimy should be required reading for all.
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+1 for Pierre Berton and Vimy. Anything worth knowing about regarding Canadian history was probably covered by Berton, and better than anyone else could have done. Vimy and Klondike were two of his best.
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04-12-2016, 08:02 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Capturing a hill while the British snatched up more colonies and starved civilians. Then the Germans simply ignored it and nearly marched to Paris again a year later.
Ironically it did help Canada gain more autonomy, but we stupidly went to war again even though we had a say in the matter.
Some big centennials coming up. Jutland on June 1st. Largest naval battle of the era, nearly 10,000 dead. I feel bad for the Danish and Norwegian fishermen who went out to sea the day after. Many of the peaks near here are named after sunken ships in that battle. Beatty and Jelicoe even get mountains. They might be the least deserving of that honour except Petain, that mountain should definitely be renamed. (There is a Mt. Haig in the Crowsnest but it's named for a different Haig.)
Also The Somme on July 1st, a holiday of mixed feelings in Newfoundland where that date was known as Memorial Day before N.L. joined Confederation.
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It was called the Great War because of the size and scale of it and the amount of nations and combatants involved. I doubt anybody thought of it as the "Awesome War of Epicness" except maybe Churchill.
Franz Ferdinand wasn't a nobody, he was heir to the throne and the holder was the aged Franz Jozef who ended up dying in 1916.
Last edited by Magnum PEI; 04-12-2016 at 08:18 PM.
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04-12-2016, 08:08 PM
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As WWII has been mentioned, it's very annoying but I've seen memorials in the States that give the war's years as 1941-45. Just because you were latecomers doesn't diminish the fact that there were two more years of war. Arrogant Yanks.
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04-12-2016, 08:47 PM
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#40
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On the topic of books, August 1914 by Solzhenitsyn is really good. Speaks to some of the blunders of the Russian ww1 army. Compared to Currie these poor souls were underequipped, spread out, and used old napoleon tactics. Pretty sad
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