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Old 01-13-2019, 06:49 PM   #101
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As dino7c pointed out, he’s ranked 48 out of 50 goalies who have started 25 games or more over the past 2 seasons. That’s not “pre-conceived”, that’s cold, hard facts.

Just because you like to take a bite out of a #### sandwich and tell everyone it’s filet mignon doesn’t make you a better fan. Get off your high horse.
Who are the 2 worse than Smith?
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Old 01-13-2019, 06:52 PM   #102
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Who are the 2 worse than Smith?
I can't tell, because a quick search indicates to me that there are actually 58 goalies who have started 25+ games over the last two seasons. Smith is ranked 32nd among them in save percentage.

Edit: hold on -- I see that dino7c indicated in their original post that the intended scope was since last February. OK. Since February 1, 2018, 42 goaltenders have started 25+ games, and Mike Smith is 42nd among them with an .885 save-percentage. Pretty bad.

I don't know where dino7c got their stat from.

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Old 01-13-2019, 06:55 PM   #103
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I have no issue with people saying Smith has been really bad, because he has. Unless of course it's completely off topic. I don't have issues with complaints about a soft goal.

I do have issues with complaining about every goal, when usually they are the same as go in against Rittich or other goalies without complaint. Example - the complete fluke deflection going to a player sitting at the back door last time he played. I'm not saying he gets the benefit of the doubt. He doesn't. But a good goal is a good goal.

I guess the point is, if it's a goal where people say "no chance for Rittich" how can we complain of Smith lets it in?
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Old 01-13-2019, 06:59 PM   #104
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I am not super confident in Smith either, but it makes sense to play him. Rittich was banged up a little, it's a weaker opponent, and Smith was going to draw in at some point during this home stand.

Motivation isn't his issue at all, but hopefully playing his old team elevates him even more.
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Old 01-13-2019, 07:01 PM   #105
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how about that Coyote who took one off the face last night and then came back to score the winning goal?

Nothing but respect for that.
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Who are the 2 worse than Smith?
Pinder and Steinberg discussed this

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from mid february of 2018, of the 50 goalies that played 20+, he is 48th behind Darling and Korpisalo, in even strength save percentage.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/960/pinder-...backup-goalie/

that said, hopefully he's able to play as a decent backup for Rittich...

edit: Bingo put up a pretty in depth stat analysis https://www.calgarypuck.com/2019/01/...th-the-backup/

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Old 01-13-2019, 07:07 PM   #107
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So with Hamonic out does Prout take his spot?

I'd go with

Gio Brodie
Hanafin Andersson
Kylington Prout
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Smith with SO tonight.
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Old 01-13-2019, 07:14 PM   #109
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Old 01-13-2019, 07:14 PM   #110
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Smith has a solid (though quiet) outing against his old team and the Flames will cruise to victory.

The GT will be insanely vitriolic, nonetheless.
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Old 01-13-2019, 07:19 PM   #111
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I have no issue with people saying Smith has been really bad, because he has. Unless of course it's completely off topic. I don't have issues with complaints about a soft goal.

I do have issues with complaining about every goal, when usually they are the same as go in against Rittich or other goalies without complaint. Example - the complete fluke deflection going to a player sitting at the back door last time he played. I'm not saying he gets the benefit of the doubt. He doesn't. But a good goal is a good goal.

I guess the point is, if it's a goal where people say "no chance for Rittich" how can we complain of Smith lets it in?
I agree with this but it's also not so cut and dry. Almost every goal that gets scored can be debated about whether the goalie could have saved it. And ultimately a big difference between good goalies and bad ones is how many difficult saves they make.

SO yeah Smith lets in some stinkers which is obviously a problem. But I don't think all goalies are created equal on all other shots either.
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Pinder and Steinberg discussed this



https://www.sportsnet.ca/960/pinder-...backup-goalie/

that said, hopefully he's able to play as a decent backup for Rittich...

edit: Bingo put up a pretty in depth stat analysis https://www.calgarypuck.com/2019/01/...th-the-backup/
But hey, it's all just preconceived notions and wanting the team to fail, right?
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I agree with this but it's also not so cut and dry. Almost every goal that gets scored can be debated about whether the goalie could have saved it. And ultimately a big difference between good goalies and bad ones is how many difficult saves they make.

SO yeah Smith lets in some stinkers which is obviously a problem. But I don't think all goalies are created equal on all other shots either.
Sure, but aside from "he could have stopped it" most of that's a discussion in a goaltender thread. It just gets silly when certain goals go in and some posters reflexively post about Smith.
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The thing with Smith is even if he plays well as soon as a shot beats him the pitchforks will come out. Even if it is an impossible save. If he lets in a softy have at it but lets not drag the guy through the mud if a good shot beats him. Besides, we will win the game anyhow.
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Granted it was just warm up, but Smith looked pretty dialed in tonight. Seemed to be tracking the puck well.
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Old 01-13-2019, 07:26 PM   #116
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I have no issue with people saying Smith has been really bad, because he has. Unless of course it's completely off topic. I don't have issues with complaints about a soft goal.

I do have issues with complaining about every goal, when usually they are the same as go in against Rittich or other goalies without complaint. Example - the complete fluke deflection going to a player sitting at the back door last time he played. I'm not saying he gets the benefit of the doubt. He doesn't. But a good goal is a good goal.

I guess the point is, if it's a goal where people say "no chance for Rittich" how can we complain of Smith lets it in?

There are enough posters on CP that someone will emerge from the woodwork to complain about every goal. I don’t think it reflects the majority of people watching the game. Even if most people understand a good goal when it happens, the odds of nobody at all thinking the goalie should have had it are exceedingly low.
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Old 01-13-2019, 07:26 PM   #117
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With the way the Flames have been playing, Mike Smith in net, and no Hamonic this feels like a trap game to me
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He goes by ICEMAN.

I assume because he organizes pickup ice times.
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What’s the deal on Hamonic? Just maintenance or an injury?
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