06-17-2020, 03:54 PM
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#401
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Lubicon
The Province has been signalling this, and actually flat out stating it for some time now. I'm not sure any heads up was required, we all saw the headlines and press clippings.
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Two weeks ago they were accused of trying to kill the project by the NDP and laughed it off:
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"We passed legislation guaranteeing funding for the green line" -Ric McIver, June 1
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https://twitter.com/LeeBTodd/status/1273359833727557632
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06-17-2020, 03:56 PM
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#402
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: BC
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I'm glad to see that each level of government is going to take another look before approving it. Calgary cannot make up for shortfalls in funding so we need to ensure the Provincial and Federal portions are still fully funded.
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06-18-2020, 03:17 PM
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#403
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Franchise Player
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Pull the funding until its grade separated from the moment it crosses into downtown until its passes 16th Ave.
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06-18-2020, 03:41 PM
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#404
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Loves Teh Chat!
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Originally Posted by Ducay
Pull the funding until its grade separated from the moment it crosses into downtown until its passes 16th Ave.
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The reason the city ended up recommending NOT tunnelling the entire distance was because it was too risky with where the water table for the Bow is and could have had cost overruns in the billions, but ok.
But let's take it a step further, why even have a city council? We should just let the provincial government make all of our decisions, right?
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06-18-2020, 03:53 PM
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#405
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Torture
The reason the city ended up recommending NOT tunnelling the entire distance was because it was too risky with where the water table for the Bow is and could have had cost overruns in the billions, but ok.
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That section North of the Bow could still be grade-separated if the bridge went into a portal on the Bluff with a shallow tunnel and underground 16th Ave Station.
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But let's take it a step further, why even have a city council? We should just let the provincial government make all of our decisions, right?
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It might have been better if the Province had fully reviewed the Council's decisions earlier; then we would haven't the Council approving a 40 km Green Line in 2015, then just a 20 km Green Line Stage 1 in 2017, and now where Stage 1 is split into three segments and the river crossing segment is dependent on the other two staying on budget.
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06-18-2020, 04:19 PM
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#406
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by accord1999
That section North of the Bow could still be grade-separated if the bridge went into a portal on the Bluff with a shallow tunnel and underground 16th Ave Station.
It might have been better if the Province had fully reviewed the Council's decisions earlier; then we would haven't the Council approving a 40 km Green Line in 2015, then just a 20 km Green Line Stage 1 in 2017, and now where Stage 1 is split into three segments and the river crossing segment is dependent on the other two staying on budget.
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This would be my ideal alignment for the river crossing.
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06-18-2020, 04:23 PM
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#407
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Torture
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Mark my words. The UCP pulls funding, raises questions of our mayors competency, and the Conservatives mayoral candidate uses its failure as a talking point during next election.
Then the UCP provides funding, once a UCP puppet is in place, and friends of the UCP happen to own some strategic land.
I have zero faith at all in the UCP reviewing in good faith. We’ve seen the childish antics already, and they will sure as #### use this opportunity.
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06-18-2020, 04:59 PM
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#408
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Franchise Player
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If the goal is to run a conservative slate in the next municipal election this project would need to be funded. You would be throwing away the SW vote. So if this is a political play to gain power in an election it will be to fund it and take credit.
If it is about not spending tax dollars then it gets killed at the expense of future UCP votes.
The cowardly move would be to hold a referendum.
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06-19-2020, 10:21 AM
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#409
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by GGG
If the goal is to run a conservative slate in the next municipal election this project would need to be funded.
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https://www.manningcentre.ca/
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06-19-2020, 11:41 PM
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#410
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by 81MC
Mark my words. The UCP pulls funding, raises questions of our mayors competency, and the Conservatives mayoral candidate uses its failure as a talking point during next election.
Then the UCP provides funding, once a UCP puppet is in place, and friends of the UCP happen to own some strategic land.
I have zero faith at all in the UCP reviewing in good faith. We’ve seen the childish antics already, and they will sure as #### use this opportunity.
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A potential puppet mayoral candidate would also make sure that everyone knew how hard they tried to stop it. "I suggested a referendum and was the only one that voted with common sense but Silly Hall didn't listen!"
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06-20-2020, 12:45 AM
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#411
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Somewhere down the crazy river.
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Feds could cover the funding difference if UCP bows out. Makes the UCP look even pettier than before, and Liberals might get a few seats next election in Calgary.
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06-20-2020, 05:30 AM
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#412
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tromboner
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: where the lattes are
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Originally Posted by Wormius
Feds could cover the funding difference if UCP bows out. Makes the UCP look even pettier than before, and Liberals might get a few seats next election in Calgary.
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And piss off the rest of country by funding Calgary's project at 2/3rds when everyone else gets 1/3rd.
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04-19-2021, 11:47 AM
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#413
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Powerplay Quarterback
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...park-1.5992355
https://engage.calgary.ca/greenline
I know the project is over in cost, and how... crazy this sounds given that.. but I hope if there is some massive bridge, they spend and make it look good given its key location. Otherwise it sort of bugs me... but perhaps just criticizing for the sake of it
The design of the bridge carrying the Green Line over the Bow River shows that it will not include a support pier in the river.
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04-19-2021, 12:06 PM
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#414
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Auckland, NZ
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Still wish they'd just spend the money, do it properly, and tunnel it all the way to 16th Ave N.
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04-19-2021, 12:45 PM
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#415
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: not lurking
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I'm a total nimby curmudgeon about messing with the wetlands at the east end of Prince's Island. Won't somebody think of the beavers?!
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04-19-2021, 12:47 PM
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#416
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by octothorp
I'm a total nimby curmudgeon about messing with the wetlands at the east end of Prince's Island. Won't somebody think of the beavers?!
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Meh, it's basically man made at this point, and has been altered several times through Calgary's history, either by people or floods. Outa the way beavers, it's progress time!
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04-19-2021, 02:14 PM
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#417
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Sector 7G
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
Meh, it's basically man made at this point, and has been altered several times through Calgary's history, either by people or floods. Outa the way beavers, it's progress time!
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05-12-2021, 12:11 PM
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#418
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Powerplay Quarterback
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...ince-1.6023036
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UCP government wants a business case for Calgary's Green Line
Nenshi says technical issues resolved after months of discussion
Mayor Naheed Nenshi said there's a reason why the city's business case isn't already on a desk at the legislature.
"They wouldn't accept it because they had all these questions that have now apparently been resolved — with exactly what we had before," said Nenshi.
The city paused procurement on the megaproject last December, because the province said it had technical concerns with what the city wants to build.
What exactly those concerns are have never been publicly explained. Even members of council say they don't know what the technical issues are on the provincial side....
Nothing was revealed in public about the private session as the board determined releasing information would be harmful to intergovernmental relations, constituted advice from officials and that it could be harmful to economic and other interests of the city.
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The province is refusing to publicly release the letter Transportation Minister Ric McIver sent to the city
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What in the world did the Province say to the City? Should be transparent, get ego's out.
Well good news if the Province isn't challenging technical issues now.
Last edited by Mull; 05-12-2021 at 12:14 PM.
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05-12-2021, 05:47 PM
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#419
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by Mull
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We're getting ####ed in the polls, so Kenny want's to change the narrative now and boost his numbers back up.
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