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Old 04-27-2021, 03:53 PM   #2061
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Q: Feds say discussions underway for military aid to Alberta, what is threshold for that?
A: Hinshaw not involved in those discussions,


Uhh...WTF? Why do we need military aid??
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Old 04-27-2021, 03:59 PM   #2062
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This shows how widespread Covid is in Alberta right now. Hospitalizations in young people are 50% higher than ever been before, which means that overall rates of Covid infection are also likely 50% higher.

It is possible that the hospitals may have loosened their standards for who gets hospitalized.

Either way, Alberta is not looking great right now for spread.
It could also just be that young people were far more likely to be out doing things during this third wave. With bars, restaurants and gyms open, and more people working downtown(against the rules) it doesn't surprise me that their numbers rose more than in the past.
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Old 04-27-2021, 04:14 PM   #2063
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Aren't gyms closed again? Unless you have a personal trainer or signed in a specific class or something
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Nova Scotia heading into a lockdown. I guess this is what happens when you respond to things???

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-...l-27-1.6003300

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  • Nova Scotians can only gather indoors or outdoors with people in their household bubble.
  • Households of one or two people can socialize with one or two others but they must be the same people for this period.
  • All public and private schools are closed.
  • Retail stores are closed for in-person service unless they provide services essential to the life, health or personal safety of individuals and animals.
  • Restaurants and bars are closed for dine-in service, but contactless take-out or delivery is allowed.
  • Personal services such as hair salons, barber shops and spas are closed.
  • Regulated and unregulated health professions can remain open with an approved COVID-19 plan.
  • Casino Nova Scotia locations in Halifax and Sydney and First Nations gaming establishments must close.
  • Daycares will remain open, but all staff and children over age two must be masked, indoors and outdoors at all times, when not eating or drinking.
  • Long-term care homes are also closed across Nova Scotia to all visitors and volunteers besides designated caregivers.
  • Indoor fitness facilities must be closed, but outdoor recreation activities are allowed.
  • Outdoor fitness and recreation businesses and organized clubs can operate with a maximum of five people and physical distancing.
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Old 04-27-2021, 04:55 PM   #2065
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Has the UCP really barred Hinshaw from testifying in court.
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Old 04-27-2021, 05:06 PM   #2066
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Nova Scotia heading into a lockdown. I guess this is what happens when you respond to things???

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-...l-27-1.6003300
and I believe they are engaging the military for assistance?
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Old 04-27-2021, 05:20 PM   #2067
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There's strong consensus that B.1.1.7 results in more severe outcomes than the previously dominant baseline. For example the Ontario Science Table analysis put the risk of hospitalization to be 60% greater (equivalent to moving everyone up one age group), 100% greater risk of being admitted to an ICU, and 60% risk of death.

Is there anything to show that it results in more severe cases in young people specifically?

Also there is not a strong consensus that the UK variant is more deadly:

https://www.livescience.com/uk-coron...-severity.html
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I really wish people would stop using terms like "consensus" to shut down debate. There's been very little in true consensus since this started.
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Q: Feds say discussions underway for military aid to Alberta, what is threshold for that?
A: Hinshaw not involved in those discussions,


Uhh...WTF? Why do we need military aid??
Send them to 4315 26 Ave. S.E.
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Is there anything to show that it results in more severe cases in young people specifically?

Also there is not a strong consensus that the UK variant is more deadly:

https://www.livescience.com/uk-coron...-severity.html


I really wish people would stop using terms like "consensus" to shut down debate. There's been very little in true consensus since this started.
The title of that study:

"Genomic characteristics and clinical effect of the emergent SARS-CoV-2 B.1.1.7 lineage in London, UK: a whole-genome sequencing and hospital-based cohort study"

This means that all study participants have moderate to severe disease.

These studies in contrast are in a community setting.

Risk of mortality in patients infected with SARS-CoV-2 variant of concern 202012/1: matched cohort study

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n579

Increased mortality in community-tested cases of SARS-CoV-2 lineage B.1.1.7
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03426-1
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Old 04-27-2021, 06:31 PM   #2070
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The title of that study:

"Genomic characteristics and clinical effect of the emergent SARS-CoV-2 B.1.1.7 lineage in London, UK: a whole-genome sequencing and hospital-based cohort study"

This means that all study participants have moderate to severe disease.

These studies in contrast are in a community setting.

Risk of mortality in patients infected with SARS-CoV-2 variant of concern 202012/1: matched cohort study

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n579

Increased mortality in community-tested cases of SARS-CoV-2 lineage B.1.1.7
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03426-1
There are two studies...and the researchers themselves state that it's not more deadly:

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"Reassuringly, our findings suggest that, despite being more easily spread, the variant does not alter the type or duration of symptoms experienced, and we believe current vaccines and public health measures are likely to remain effective against it," Mark Graham, a research fellow at King's College London and co-lead author of one of the studies, said in a statement
The participants in this study did not have moderate to severe disease:

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In Graham's new study, published Monday (April 12) in journal The Lancet Public Health, he and colleagues analyzed information from nearly 37,000 people in the U.K. who tested positive for COVID-19 between September and December 2020 and reported symptoms via a mobile app called the COVID Symptom Study app. Then, the researchers combined this information with genetic sequencing data from the COVID-19 UK Genetics Consortium and Public Health England, which showed how many COVID-19 cases in a given area were due to B.1.1.7 or other strains.
Your argument is also flawed. There is a wide range of symptoms and severities of people admitted to hospital. If there is no difference in death rates between people admitted to hospital, that would support the theory that the virus is no more deadly. If a virus is more severe, you'd expect more people admitted to hospital to either have severe or deadly disease. It wouldn't make sense to have the same amount of moderate cases develop into severe if there were differences in how deadly they were.

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There was no link between the strain and disease severity ó in the B.1.1.7 group, about 20% of all patients became severely ill and 16% of all patients died; and in the non-B.1.1.7 group, 20% of all patients became severely ill and 17% of all patients died.
The major flaw with your studies is that they don't take into account when infections occurred. Most deaths in the UK occurred during the 2nd wave, which was also when the UK variant was far more prevalent.
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There are two studies...and the researchers themselves state that it's not more deadly:
"Limitations to the assessments of the proportions of asymptomatic cases and admission to hospital should be noted: most of our users get tested only when they have symptoms, so relatively few asymptomatic infections are recorded, and the self-reported nature of our data on admission to hospital means we are likely to miss more severe hospitalised cases, when the individual is unlikely to self-report. There is also evidence that infection with the B.1.1.7 variant is associated with increased risk of mortality,6 and our data do not allow us to assess this."
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CTV Calgary tonight just ran a story about a girl who tested negative for covid. She passed away unfortunately. But her dad is convinced his 17 year old daughter was healthy and died of covid.. that’s not going to help things. And is irresponsible for CTV to report IMO.
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Couple things:
(1) I think Doug Ford never had any intention of implementing a sick leave program. He cancelled the employer paid sick days as soon as he got into office. He campaigned on this promise of REMOVING sick days. Under the gun, sinking in the polls, crying, he promised a sick leave program. Now the Conservatives have asked the federal government to fix their mess. The federal government is shooting back with "Uhhh.... you had a sick day program. You cancelled it. Put it back." So all the Ford government has to do is say "Look. We tried. But that evil guy Trudeau who caused all of this mess... he won't give you sick days. Sorry. We did our best." And then he just has to wait out the pandemic. Cases *seem* to be going down in Ontario. Hopefully this is the last wave. He can wiggle out of this sick leave debacle and put the blame 100% on the federal Liberals.

(2) Nova Scotia is REALLY locking down and I applaud them for it. Should have been done here when we were at 30 cases per 100,000. But I think too many Ford voters have been against lockdowns and he listened to his base and not the doctors. Rankin on the other hand implemented EVERY recommendation that the doctors gave him.
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CTV Calgary tonight just ran a story about a girl who tested negative for covid. She passed away unfortunately. But her dad is convinced his 17 year old daughter was healthy and died of covid.. thatís not going to help things. And is irresponsible for CTV to report IMO.
Why is this irresponsible? From a newsworthy point of view It seems very plausible and from public safety point of view a good reminder that false negatives, which are not uncommon, pose a serious health threat.
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Old 04-27-2021, 09:33 PM   #2075
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CTV Calgary tonight just ran a story about a girl who tested negative for covid. She passed away unfortunately. But her dad is convinced his 17 year old daughter was healthy and died of covid.. thatís not going to help things. And is irresponsible for CTV to report IMO.
They reported it accurately.
A 17 year old died
She tested negative for COVID
Her father believes she died of COVID
We'll know hopefully in a few weeks
In the meantime it's a tragedy either way

What's the issue here? People are too quick to jump on the media.
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Sounds like AHS is preparing for some pretty heavy lifting. Not sure how this compares for all zones, but I recall Edmonton taking down 30% in these categories over Christmas.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1387198305327730692
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No point in modifying our restrictions, though, right?
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they said on the radio this morning that the positivity rate is our highest of the pandemic.
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No point in modifying our restrictions, though, right?
Nor our behavior, I guess.
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Nor our behavior, I guess.
People have proven they can't make smart decisions for society, they need to be told(and actually enforced). I man, technically we are supposed to work from home unless absolutely necessary, but the traffic reports I hear doesn't make that seem like it's happening. Technically you aren't supposed to be at a restaurant with people not in your house, but clearly that's ignored by everyone. Technically you are supposed to wear a mask in church, but, well...
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