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Old 05-08-2021, 08:37 PM   #3061
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Alberta is following its plan of not overwhelming hospitals. They were two weeks late again with restrictions but the level of restrictions is likely appropriate for the goal of the program.

Nova Scotia is likely over reacting right now and targeting areas that are not large sources of spread as they continue to try their Covid 0 approach in a triage environment. Their list of people excerpted from the travel ban easily exceeds the numbers of people that would be moving there.


Cases from outside Nova Scotia don’t matter when your case rate is 119/100k and have an rT of 1.56.

In two weeks cases are going to crash managing to that point in time is prudent.

This is why I sometimes get frustrated with the criticism the UCP gets. They have stated from the outset that the goal is not overwhelming the hospital system. Not cases. Not deaths. Hospitals. so far that hasn't happened.

Feel free to disagree with the stated goal.
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Old 05-08-2021, 08:48 PM   #3062
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This is why I sometimes get frustrated with the criticism the UCP gets. They have stated from the outset that the goal is not overwhelming the hospital system. Not cases. Not deaths. Hospitals so far that hasn't happened.

Feel free to disagree with the stated goal.
Edmonton canceled surgeries in December and both Calgary and Edmonton have Canceled surgeons this time around so that is the system being overwhelmed. My issue is that these points are clearly predictable and both times Kenny has done some half-assed steps before the real lockdowns resulting in the surgery cancelations. So Kenny certainly isnít doing a good job given his stated goal.

If thatís your goal and you are going to yo-yo lockdowns he also should have gotten rid of the phased approach. If we had just locked down until end of Feb and used enforcement to ensure compliance and then opened to ďsummer modeĒ then we wouldnít be in the third round and this third round was entirely predicable.

So in rating Kennyís handling of the pandemic his in action by waiting making the peaks higher killed more people then required while also canceling more surgeries than required and having an extra unnecessary lock down at the end because of not extending February longer.

So Kenny gets a C from me.

But his current lockdown feels about the right duration and length to get vaccines across the finish lines and people are going to be irrationally angry with him when he starts to open things when we still are having 1000 cases per day.
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WHO not surprisingly is still a laggard here. However CDC seems to have caught up. Really looks like once Trump left the CDC has gotten much better thankfully.

Anyways, hopefully this pressures the WHO to admit reality. Funny thing is there is actually a influential Calgary doctor on the WHO who is a big on aerosol denying and keeping this bad advice in place.

Had the advice been different our restrictions would be different and probably better on people and have more compliance.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...-six-feet.html
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This is why I sometimes get frustrated with the criticism the UCP gets. They have stated from the outset that the goal is not overwhelming the hospital system. Not cases. Not deaths. Hospitals. so far that hasn't happened.

Feel free to disagree with the stated goal.
There are certainly parts of our health care system that are horribly broken. Postponing some surgeries wouldn’t normally be huge deal, but many of those who’ve had surgeries cancelled have been waiting a year and a half already. This part of the health care system is needs to be blown up.
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Edmonton canceled surgeries in December and both Calgary and Edmonton have Canceled surgeons this time around so that is the system being overwhelmed. My issue is that these points are clearly predictable and both times Kenny has done some half-assed steps before the real lockdowns resulting in the surgery cancelations. So Kenny certainly isnít doing a good job given his stated goal.

If thatís your goal and you are going to yo-yo lockdowns he also should have gotten rid of the phased approach. If we had just locked down until end of Feb and used enforcement to ensure compliance and then opened to ďsummer modeĒ then we wouldnít be in the third round and this third round was entirely predicable.

So in rating Kennyís handling of the pandemic his in action by waiting making the peaks higher killed more people then required while also canceling more surgeries than required and having an extra unnecessary lock down at the end because of not extending February longer.

So Kenny gets a C from me.

But his current lockdown feels about the right duration and length to get vaccines across the finish lines and people are going to be irrationally angry with him when he starts to open things when we still are having 1000 cases per day.
Itís that bolded sentence that I canít believe. Itís just pure Monday morning quarterbacking, and I donít know that thereís evidence to show this.
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This is why I sometimes get frustrated with the criticism the UCP gets. They have stated from the outset that the goal is not overwhelming the hospital system. Not cases. Not deaths. Hospitals. so far that hasn't happened.

Feel free to disagree with the stated goal.
And disagreeing with the stated goal is criticism. And he failed at his goal. And the whole reason for his weird goal of "not deaths" was to keep the economy running smoothly and uninterrupted, so it's a pretty clear fail on all counts. Sorry, your boy blew it and continues to blow it.
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Old 05-09-2021, 10:25 AM   #3067
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This is why I sometimes get frustrated with the criticism the UCP gets. They have stated from the outset that the goal is not overwhelming the hospital system. Not cases. Not deaths. Hospitals. so far that hasn't happened.

Feel free to disagree with the stated goal.
Kenney's ultimate goal was "the economy". Managing hospital capacity was a way to achieve that.

"The economy" vs. deaths/cases was a false dichotomy. See Australia, Atlantic Canada, etc.

The hospital system has not been in great shape. In my family we had a surgery that was greatly delayed, and a bunch of tests and diagnosis needed for a heart condition that was also delayed by months. The backlog at the end of this is going to be massive and expensive. People will die because of delayed treatment. Given our government bizarrely doesn't care about deaths, people who's conditions progressed because of delayed treatment will be much more expensive to provide care for.

A government not caring about deaths seems to stem from a US style selfish culture of putting one's own desires above all else. Humans have thrived because of cooperation and the ability to work toward the greater good. The selfish individual rights culture needs to die, and die fast.
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Itís that bolded sentence that I canít believe. Itís just pure Monday morning quarterbacking, and I donít know that thereís evidence to show this.
https://twitter.com/user/status/1355939450677829635

You probably should believe it.

Hereís your evidence. Itís about as much ďMonday morning QuarterbackingĒ as realizing that a person should have believed the weather forecast and waited out the blizzard instead of driving through it like an ignorant reckless hero.
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