07-20-2018, 12:30 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Don’t forget Mullen was from the Blues too.
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Mullen was acquired much earlier, but his acquisition and Gilmour were two major fleecings of the Blues by Fletcher.
And in pumping up Bozek, I ‘m not belittling Patterson or Otto - both great Flames. Maybe I shouldn’t be calling Bozek our best checking forward, but he was a big part of the Flames’ strategy for limiting the damage done by the Oilers’top 2 lines, and the Flames sure could have used what he gave the Blues in the ‘88 playoffs.
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07-20-2018, 12:35 PM
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#22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Bozek
Mullen was acquired much earlier, but his acquisition and Gilmour were two major fleecings of the Blues by Fletcher.
And in pumping up Bozek, I ‘m not belittling Patterson or Otto - both great Flames. Maybe I shouldn’t be calling Bozek our best checking forward, but he was a big part of the Flames’ strategy for limiting the damage done by the Oilers’top 2 lines, and the Flames sure could have used what he gave the Blues in the ‘88 playoffs.
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I remember Bozek just tackling two Oilers at one time in the 86' game seven crazy game. When I say tackle, I mean he hugged one in each arm and dragged them to the ice. No penalty.
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07-20-2018, 01:07 PM
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#23
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Franchise Player
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Feel bad for Perry Berezan. A guy that had been through the battles (including the run in 1986) and then gets traded the year we go on to win the cup.
It's also funny looking back at all the trades with the Blues -- I wonder if the former Hurricanes will have the same impact this season (Lindholm, Hanifin, Ryan, Peters)...
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07-20-2018, 01:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tvp2003
Feel bad for Perry Berezan. A guy that had been through the battles (including the run in 1986) and then gets traded the year we go on to win the cup.
It's also funny looking back at all the trades with the Blues -- I wonder if the former Hurricanes will have the same impact this season (Lindholm, Hanifin, Ryan, Peters)...
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See also Carey Wilson (for Dana Murzyn of all people). And Paul Reinhart (traded for a 3rd round pick to Vancouver the offseason before the Cup).
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07-20-2018, 01:40 PM
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That team should have won at least 2 or 3 cups with how dominant they were. It still stings to think about all those wasted opportunities and 1st round playoff exits.
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07-20-2018, 01:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Bozek
Mullen was acquired much earlier, but his acquisition and Gilmour were two major fleecings of the Blues by Fletcher.
And in pumping up Bozek, I ‘m not belittling Patterson or Otto - both great Flames. Maybe I shouldn’t be calling Bozek our best checking forward, but he was a big part of the Flames’ strategy for limiting the damage done by the Oilers’top 2 lines, and the Flames sure could have used what he gave the Blues in the ‘88 playoffs.
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Not sure what he would have added. He only played in 7 games in the 88 POs for the Blues (they only played 10 games total and got beat by Detroit 4-1 in the second round). The same Detroit team lost to Edmonton 4-1.
Calgary should have done better in 88. They were the number one team in the league.
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07-20-2018, 02:24 PM
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In retrospect its easy to see how the depth fell apart so quickly but it is incredible that at the time that Hull was traded they had the following HOF or HOF caliber RWs all in the system at same time
Lanny (was on his last legs which was not a surprise so doesn't really count he wasn't in the long term plans)
Mullen (1st team AS RW 88-89;team gave up on him quickly thereafter, he wasn't finished though)
Loob (retired suddenly, was the 1st team AS RW in 87-88)
Fleury (at that point was in the minor league system mostly as a C but had a (topic for another day) HOF to borderline HOF career as a RW
Hull
Makarov (yet to report for duty, was up there in age but a quality NHLer for a few years)
so you have Hull who can clearly score but in a team that is sitting there feeling pretty elite (they were at the time) with a few gaps to fill and with essentially unprecedented depth at RW...which was gone within a few years
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07-20-2018, 02:29 PM
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Amazing how many players on that roster scored 50+ goals at some point in their career.
Must be a record.
Last edited by troutman; 07-20-2018 at 04:31 PM.
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07-20-2018, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by troutman
Amazing how many players on that roster scored 50+ goals at some point in their career.
Must be a record.
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6 I think. Mullen, Newy, Lanny, Theo, Loob, Roberts. Gilmour didn't, but he was close, and had a 100+ point guy a few times. Mark Hunter was on the roster and he had 44 one year.
Peak Oilers were only 4 (Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, Anderson). Though in 86-87 they also had Coffey, Krushelnisky and Nilsson, all of whom just missed 50 at one point or another.
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07-20-2018, 03:36 PM
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#30
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
6 I think. Mullen, Newy, Lanny, Theo, Loob, Roberts. Gilmour didn't, but he was close, and had a 100+ point guy a few times. Mark Hunter was on the roster and he had 44 one year.
Peak Oilers were only 4 (Gretzky, Messier, Kurri, Anderson). Though in 86-87 they also had Coffey, Krushelnisky and Nilsson, all of whom just missed 50 at one point or another.
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the 87-88 squad had 7- subtract fleury, add Bullard, Hull
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07-20-2018, 04:28 PM
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1991-92 Sabres had 6, plus Tony Tanti who hit 45 once. Bit of an asterisk, though, as Turgeon only played 8 games and Vaive 20.
- Hawerchuk
- LaFontaine
- Andreychuk
- Mogilny
- Turgeon
- Vaive
edit: actually, the reason Turgeon only played 8 was because he was traded to get LaFontaine, so they really only had 5 at any given time.
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07-20-2018, 04:38 PM
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1991-92 Penguins had 5:
Lemieux
Jagr
Mullen
Stevens
Trottier
Tocchett (48)
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07-20-2018, 05:00 PM
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Where does that finals rank ? 117 point team against a 115 point team ? Pre shootouts !
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07-20-2018, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Jason14h
Where does that finals rank ? 117 point team against a 115 point team ? Pre shootouts !
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Iain Fyffe once ranked the best NHL teams of all time based on ‘winning percentage z-score’ – the number of standard deviations that each team was above the league mean for that particular season. The reasoning was that when there were a lot of really bad teams to score points off, it was easier to put up a flashy record, and when there was a lot of parity in the league, it was harder. Using the standard deviation corrects for that. Parity in the NHL was near an all-time high in '88-89 – the 3rd-place team had 92 points, the last-place team 61 – and then there were those two giants, Calgary and Montreal, almost as far ahead of 3rd place as that was ahead of 21st.
In the aggregate z-scores, the '88-89 Flames were the second-best team of all time, and the '88-89 Habs were third. I think it's safe to say that there has never been another SCF in which two teams that good were that evenly matched.
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07-20-2018, 05:50 PM
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Loving this trip down memory lane. What a time those years were to be a Flames fan.
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07-20-2018, 06:13 PM
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#36
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Not sure what he would have added. He only played in 7 games in the 88 POs for the Blues (they only played 10 games total and got beat by Detroit 4-1 in the second round). The same Detroit team lost to Edmonton 4-1.
Calgary should have done better in 88. They were the number one team in the league.
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Detroit was one of the better teams in the league that year, while the Blues were not expected to do well. In the broadcasts of the Blues games the commentators were calling attention to the great checking job Bozek was doing on the opponents, and IIRC, Hull made a significant contribution as well.
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07-20-2018, 06:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by looooob
In retrospect its easy to see how the depth fell apart so quickly but it is incredible that at the time that Hull was traded they had the following HOF or HOF caliber RWs all in the system at same time
Lanny (was on his last legs which was not a surprise so doesn't really count he wasn't in the long term plans)
Mullen (1st team AS RW 88-89;team gave up on him quickly thereafter, he wasn't finished though)
Loob (retired suddenly, was the 1st team AS RW in 87-88)
Fleury (at that point was in the minor league system mostly as a C but had a (topic for another day) HOF to borderline HOF career as a RW
Hull
Makarov (yet to report for duty, was up there in age but a quality NHLer for a few years)
so you have Hull who can clearly score but in a team that is sitting there feeling pretty elite (they were at the time) with a few gaps to fill and with essentially unprecedented depth at RW...which was gone within a few years
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Have to think they weren't planning on losing Loob that early, but then Makarov came along right after that.
McDonald was clearly retiring, but they should have been fine with Fleury, Mullen, Loob and Makarov.
Funny that era had all RW, this era all LW
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07-20-2018, 06:44 PM
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#38
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Originally Posted by the2bears
Loving this trip down memory lane. What a time those years were to be a Flames fan.
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It was also a great time to be a seasons ticket holder. My seats were in the upper bowl and the cost was $18.00 a seat. Loved the Battles of Alberta back then.
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07-20-2018, 09:01 PM
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Wow was that team ever stacked. Definitely a top 5 team of all time.
With that collection of players it is amazing the Flames only had the one cup from the late 80s/early 90s. Looking back the 86, 88, 90, 91, and 93 teams were all good enough to win if not for a bit of bad luck and choking under pressure.
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