Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by GGG

Do you have a link to that report? I’m interested in how they calculated the value as with many of these types of programs some of the benefits claimed are suspect.

Did that account for the time value of money?
Did that account that simply banning incandescent bulbs would have the same affect on the light bulb side?

I haven't been able to find any public reports about how their results were calculated.

But here is the link to their annual report where I was quoting the numbers from.

https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/2415...-2019-2020.pdf

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Yoho

The panic and attacks we are seeing in this thread is that Smith’s plan might actually work.

"The panic we saw on the Titanic was a good sign that the ship might actually be unsinkable."

[RedHot25]

You know what, I should have just posted this, as this sums it up pretty much:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1598509530056339457

https://twitter.com/user/status/1598512413900693504

[Looch City]

Yoho must at this point be a part of the grift and receiving some type of contribution for his work here. I mean who in their right mind would support this government without receiving some cash under the table first?

Got any tips for how I get in one that? I'm a minority, so I could be your token brown guy if you'd like!

[Dentoman]

As I have stated before, I have been a lifelong Conservative voter (well, the Rhino vote when I was 18 doesn't count), but I will vote NDP this time.
I voted for the UCP the last election. Sonya Savage is my MLA. I voted UCP because the NDP seemed to have a personal axe to grind with my profession and I felt they would continue to grind it. Their policies also made the costs of me doing business go up.
In fact, up until the refusal to put in vaccine passports, I thought the Alberta government and Alberta Health were doing a pretty good job balancing the economy and public health. You could sense that the UCP was starting to be overly influenced by the farther right in Alberta around the time of vaccine passports. They lost my support when they catered to the far right crowd and refused to put in vaccine passports early enough. By the time the did, it was too late.
I have no time for Danielle Smith and her far right lackeys. The party under her leadership is not for me. Also, a federal conservative party under PP is not for me either.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

The Alberta sovereignty stuff is a bit of a paper tiger / joke though.

I mean let's get real here, if the feds really wanted to make a scene or get serious they could. They are not letting Alberta separate, or whatever fantasy ridiculous stupid notions some people think.

Like, seriously, think about Alberta without Canada. It won't be good.

All the feds have to do to shut all this rhetoric down is literally just go and say 'sure, you go create an APP and all Albertans surrender all / any CPP / RRSP investments'. Boom, Albertans will stand off. And it's such a ridiculous notion to even say that, but maybe not as ridiculous as saying Alberta should separate or push for more sovereignty. One thing people don't understand is that the feds can pretty much do whatever they want. Like sure, there are laws, but all laws can change if they need to (even constitutions or any related acts).

The other softer approach the feds could do, is make some meaningful dialogue / advertisement happen that educates Albertans with all the many, many, many things that the feds / rest of the country actually does do for Alberta- which I think Albertans are hugely ignorant on and do not appreciate, whatsoever. Albertans are an insanely entitled group.

Firstly, to all the pre-cog snowflake conservatives on here who are only capable of writing paragraphs when its about how you will be bullied, Señor Coffee is proof positive that thoughtful engagement can lead to thoughtful disagreements.

Herr Coffee, thank you for answering the bat signal - I appreciate your post. I do want to push back on the first bolded...if we've learned anything in the last 6 years of general politics its that we can longer rely on the notion of 'common sense will eventually prevail'.

The UCP playbook has been to introduced completely absurd ideas and then 'back down' to something only mildly absurd. I'm not sure exactly how that plays out here, but we need to be vigilante and mindful of this tactic.


Your second bolded is so true and it's literally figuratively mind bottling. So many 'Bertan sentiments manage to include two completely contradictory ideas in the same sentence:
1. Alberta is the best province in Canada, yet...
2. Alberta is also biggest victim in Canada

It's nonsense.

[aaronck]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

A Sun reporter taking a moment to crap on the CBC, and smear it around his followers? Well I never!

Sun "opinions columnist" who learned his trade at the Rebel- Reporter would indicate that his job is to report any sort of factual information

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GGG

Do you have a link to that report? I’m interested in how they calculated the value as with many of these types of programs some of the benefits claimed are suspect.

Did that account for the time value of money?
Did that account that simply banning incandescent bulbs would have the same affect on the light bulb side?

We can probably assume the report is a bit (if not a lot) rose-coloured with a lot of best-case assumptions, but it seems unlikely that a totally pragmatic/realistic analysis would drive it back down into the red.

And while we shouldn't readily accept wasteful/inefficient elements of any program, I'd argue that this was generally the best kind of 'waste' - money paid to frontline workers, which is generally recirculated locally pretty efficiently. Using an Ontario based company to administer the staffing was unfortunate, though IIRC there simply wasn't an AB based alternative.

And we need to remember this was all in the context of a new carbon tax, and this program was simply a measure to help people adapt.

[Muta]

'Laurentian elite' has to be one of the most cringiest terms ever conceived.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Allot of truth to this above.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1598701033743699971

Noted "Laurentian Elite" Elamin Abdelmahmoud, whose family moved to Canada from Sudan when he was 12...

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by Muta

'Laurentian elite' has to be one of the most cringiest terms ever conceived.

Sounds like a team assembled to compete here at Macs Midget.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Allot of truth to this above.

Regardless of anything else you post, do you realize how mind numbingly dumb you have to be to spell "a lot" as Allot over and over and over again?

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

Sounds like a team assembled to compete here at Macs Midget.

Errrrr.... we don't use that term anymore. It's Circle K.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Muta

'Laurentian elite' has to be one of the most cringiest terms ever conceived.

Who cares what kind of pencil crayons you use anyway?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Slava

Who cares what kind of pencil crayons you use anyway?

Credit where it’s due, that one was pretty good.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Credit where it’s due, that one was pretty good.

I’m an old man. That’s literally the only thing I know that was named Laurentian.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Slava

Who cares what kind of pencil crayons you use anyway?

I laughed, points to you good sir.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Slava

I’m an old man. That’s literally the only thing I know that was named Laurentian.

Laurentian pencil crayons were the bomb. There was like the normal set when I was in Kindergarten, but then they just kept adding more and more colours, it was like when you changed Windows 3.1 from 16 colours to 256 colours.

[Yoho]

This will be a fun race to the end.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1598810606316003335

[RedHot25]

Alright, Yoho, I agree it will be a tight race. I think it comes down to Calgary. Your thoughts? What does the UCP need to do to win this, and what do they do (or not do) to lose this?

The timing of the poll if also quite interesting - post-affordability measures, pre/before sovereignty act.

Which is kind of what I had noted previously. Affordability measures could have been a win for her, but has the message gone so off track - I would argue a lot of her own doing - with the sovereignty act?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1598824657943433216

https://twitter.com/user/status/1598825298820497408

Edit: sigh, already out of the thread...