Brad Treliving needs to go

[ricosuave]

^ Agreed, he'll have to take Cassie with him.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

My only concern with getting rid of Treliving is I feel like he's getting better at every part of his job other than coaching hires.

Take UFAs - Tanev/Markstrom have worked out better than basically any of his previous signings (eg Brouwer/Neal)

On the trade front I feel like he's stopped burning picks (eg Hamonic/Hamilton) in favour of hockey trades (Lindholm deal).

I think he works hard and is learning. I'd be disappointed if he does turn out to be a wizard somewhere else after the Flames invested 7 years into his development.

Especially if Ward was an ownership decision to pick the cheapest option. In that case firing Treliving doesn't solve the problem at all.

I don't disagree, and I think wherever he goes next he'd do really well.

My only complaint now is coaching. If that's on him then time has ran out. But I'm still not convinced that's totally on him since bargain bin garbage coaches is something that's been an issue here long before Treliving's time

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by united

The Wizard just needs more time. He’s only seven years into creating his style of team which isn’t nearly enough time.

It was a really tough job to take on. All he inherited was Mark Giordano, Johnny Gaudreau, Sean Monahan, TJ Brodie, and Mikael Backlund. Even the best GMs would struggle with being handed that type of foundation on a silver platter.

The hallmark of good teams is stability at the GM position. If you have a bad GM you should keep him for another several years because he might become good. And then if he doesn’t become good, you should give him another few years because he might just get lucky. Only then should you make a change.

I Bradlieve in the Wizard.

That’s a four bagger post. Take a trot around the bases.

I’d add the cap space, assets to acquire extra picks and almost the lowest expectations any Flames GM has had in recent memory.

It’s staggering how little progress the big league club has made in seven years. A few nice draft picks though, I’ll give him that.

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by ricosuave

^ Agreed, he'll have to take Cassie with him.

God willing.

[mikeecho]

Treliving is just starting a 4 year contract from what I recall. He’s not going anywhere soon.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by AC

As Scorp reminded me I forgot Brett Ritchie!

Holy ####, FML.

You forgot Bennett also.

[bluejays]

I consider myself traditionally as a Brad Treliving apologist, but I’m quickly angling to this guy is average at best, after this off season. He did great getting Markstrom, but that’s money talking. The team showed they weren’t skilled enough to compete in the division last playoffs, and nothing whatsoever was addressed there. I chalk that up to the lack of trades overall because of COVID, but something had to be done. At this point there are so many things wrong with the team as a whole that nobody should be untradeable. Coaching has been a disaster, the Bennett situation has been handled horribly, and there’s money been spent on some terrible contracts. It’s on the GM, and now we can’t deny it.

[Azhouse]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

Get rid of Pascall too. As he is part of the management team, since 2014.

Keep Conroy, as he is “Conroy”.

Get rid of his wife as well please.

[Dx54]

Originally Posted by Passe La Puck

His dad makes ####ty pizza as well. #### that family!

Honestly though, BPs is not quality food.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

My only concern with getting rid of Treliving is I feel like he's getting better at every part of his job other than coaching hires.

Take UFAs - Tanev/Markstrom have worked out better than basically any of his previous signings (eg Brouwer/Neal)

On the trade front I feel like he's stopped burning picks (eg Hamonic/Hamilton) in favour of hockey trades (Lindholm deal).

I think he works hard and is learning. I'd be disappointed if he does turn out to be a wizard somewhere else after the Flames invested 7 years into his development.

Especially if Ward was an ownership decision to pick the cheapest option. In that case firing Treliving doesn't solve the problem at all.

Well he did trade away a 3rd and a 4th last year at the deadline and he had a bubble team.

Oddly the only years he was not a buyer at the deadline was when he had the 2nd best team in the NHL, 2016 and when he smartly sold at the 2015 deadline when he had Feaster’s bubble team that went to the second round.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I am for a different hire, but it has to makes sense. Who would you guys want to hire as replacement?

Fire coach and GM and then let the assistants run the show for the rest of the season. Can’t be worse.

[Igottago]

I think its time. It would be good to see where a new architect can take this team. Treliving has done some quality things here but the Ward hiring should be his undoing. Was a terrible decision made even worse because he didn't learn from his previous hires.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Well he did trade away a 3rd and a 4th last year at the deadline and he had a bubble team.

Oddly the only years he was not a buyer at the deadline was when he had the 2nd best team in the NHL, 2016 and when he smartly sold at the 2015 deadline when he had Feaster’s bubble team that went to the second round.

Yeah, last years deadline was definitely a mistake. It definitely would have been better to recoup a pick for either Brodie or Hamonic, and buying depth was a waste of picks.

I'd love to see us start being on the other side of those trades, where our 6/7 D get traded for a 3rd every year at the deadline. Replacement players are replaceable, but if you make a bunch of extra picks you'll hit the odd sleeper star.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by fleury

I consider myself traditionally as a Brad Treliving apologist, but I’m quickly angling to this guy is average at best, after this off season. He did great getting Markstrom, but that’s money talking. The team showed they weren’t skilled enough to compete in the division last playoffs, and nothing whatsoever was addressed there. I chalk that up to the lack of trades overall because of COVID, but something had to be done. At this point there are so many things wrong with the team as a whole that nobody should be untradeable. Coaching has been a disaster, the Bennett situation has been handled horribly, and there’s money been spent on some terrible contracts. It’s on the GM, and now we can’t deny it.

I also agree it's Tre's turn to go. This team as assembled regardless of coach is not a team that's going to win in the playoffs so we know we need a rebuild or a major retool of players and we know that since the team has essentially quit on Ward that band aid needs to be ripped off promptly. As an ownership group letting a GM who might be trying to save their job attempt to fix both those things could be a disaster long term. Fire Tre and Ward like tomorrow or Monday, hire the next GM over the next few weeks and let them do the work of dismantling the team for maximum values ahead of the deadline and then let them hire their coach and in the offseason let that coach hire his coaching staff entirely and do not insist on keeping any holdovers.

[GioforPM]

Wrong thread

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Debrusk has been pretty good aside from the goalie interference blather (which I think he was just trying to create drama with).

DeBrusk for coach, or GM?

[soulchoice]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Debrusk has been pretty good aside from the goalie interference blather (which I think he was just trying to create drama with).

Debrusk is a great colour analyst. He is by far the best option for the later Hockey Night in Canada option. Since it appears the west gets the shaft for competent people in the booth on Saturdays. Unless it’s Ball or Shorthouse.

[N-E-B]

He needs to go before Ward.

[DazzlinDino]

Team still feels like it has too many holes.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

Noah Dobson(Hamonic trade) and Jordan Kyrou(Elliot trade)would slot nicely into this team now.

Nice piece of cherry picking here.

Let’s not forget Sven Bartschi for Rasmussen Anderson or Kris Russell for a Dillon Dube.