Calgarypuck Prospect Ranking 2020 - Round 4 Run Off

[SuperMatt18]

Mackey is being overrated here IMO. If he was a Flames draft pick with a similar development curve he's not in the top 5 I think

[neo45]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Mackey is being overrated here IMO. If he was a Flames draft pick with a similar development curve he's not in the top 5 I think

24 isn’t super old for a D man prospect. Hanifin, Rasmus, Kylington, Yelesin all similar ages and I don’t think of them are done developing either

Ideally he isn’t a top 5 prospect but we’ve been trading picks away like crazy (Bad thing) and graduating all of our actual top prospects (good thing)

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

The guy who has starting goalie potential, later.

Parsons?

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Parsons?

I like Parsons the person/ story, but Parsons the player will need a miraculous turn around at this point to see some starts at NHL level in his career.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I like Parsons the person/ story, but Parsons the player will need a miraculous turn around at this point to see some starts at NHL level in his career.

He is 23, which is prepubescent for goalies. He is still a very legitimate prospect.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

He is 23, which is prepubescent for goalies. He is still a very legitimate prospect.

He's still a prospect, and in no way did I say he doesn't have a chance, but it would be a pretty spectacular reversal.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Parsons?

Right...the other younger guy.

[Hey Connor, It's Mess]

Parsons looked better than Wolf ever has against his age group. Wolf plays for one of the best defensive teams in the entire CHL and looked underwhelming for the United States when he played against top level youth. Knowing that goalies have a much larger adjustment needed for pro hockey than skaters makes me reluctant to even put Wolf in the top 10. I will be rooting hard for Wolf during his career because I have a soft spot for the undersized goalie.

Mackey is 24 so the only justification for voting him this early is if you put more emphasis on NHL readiness and higher 'floors.'

Phillips, Pettersen and Poirier are all vastly more talented hockey players than these two.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I like Parsons the person/ story, but Parsons the player will need a miraculous turn around at this point to see some starts at NHL level in his career.

I don't think you realize how goalies develop. Parsons has all the tools to be a starting NHL goalie but injuries have set his timeline back a bit. Most goalies are not showing their actual potential until after their mid twenties. Look at our current new starter as a prime example.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't think you realize how goalies develop. Parsons has all the tools to be a starting NHL goalie but injuries have set his timeline back a bit. Most goalies are not showing their actual potential until after their mid twenties. Look at our current new starter as a prime example.

Name a goalie that's been an NHL starter and go see how many games they played/ how they performed stat wise in the ECHL. I understand goalies take longer to develop, and I also understand Parsons' injury history... but his performance while uninjured is what I am criticizing. This year will tell us a lot.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Hey Connor, It's Mess

Parsons looked better than Wolf ever has against his age group. Wolf plays for one of the best defensive teams in the entire CHL and looked underwhelming for the United States when he played against top level youth. Knowing that goalies have a much larger adjustment needed for pro hockey than skaters makes me reluctant to even put Wolf in the top 10. I will be rooting hard for Wolf during his career because I have a soft spot for the undersized goalie.

Mackey is 24 so the only justification for voting him this early is if you put more emphasis on NHL readiness and higher 'floors.'

Phillips, Pettersen and Poirier are all vastly more talented hockey players than these two.

Parsons had big stage performance, but objectively i don't think you can say performed better than wolf against his age peers: look at the hardware/ awards difference.

[btimbit]

I like both guys but I'm no longer voting for a goalie in the top 10 until they prove it in the pros

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Parsons had big stage performance, but objectively i don't think you can say performed better than wolf against his age peers: look at the hardware/ awards difference.

But that one game he played for the US against his peers tells us a lot....

[agulati]

I wouldn’t have voted for Wolf till #6 or #7. Goalies are always hard to predict. I remember when we were all excited by Gillis, Parson etc.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Parsons had big stage performance, but objectively i don't think you can say performed better than wolf against his age peers: look at the hardware/ awards difference.

I like Wolf, but comparing them at the same age, Parsons looked like a far higher-end prospect in so many regards. I'm not even someone who thinks size a big deal, but Parsons was legitimately flashing star NHLer talent up until he officially entered our organization. His 2017 playoffs for London, he was his whole team, and they didn't play a tight system the way Wolf's does, either.

But entering the organization seems to be the nail in the coffin for a goalie prospect.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Parsons had big stage performance, but objectively i don't think you can say performed better than wolf against his age peers: look at the hardware/ awards difference.

You obviously did not see much of that last Knights team he single handily dragged into the playoffs.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Mackey is being overrated here IMO. If he was a Flames draft pick with a similar development curve he's not in the top 5 I think

That's where you are going wrong. One can't compare the development curve of a drafted prospect with a 24 year old college free agent.

I would compare him with these types of guys
Dan Dekeyser - signed as a 23 year old and has been a solid NHler
Brendan Dillon (598 games)
Andy Greene (933 games)
Nick Holden (496 games)
Torey Krug (523 games - but has far more offensive skills)
Nate Schmidt (396 games).
Chris Tanev (514 games)

Though the Flames haven't had a ton of luck with these type of signings, we should remember that Mackey was the consensus top college free agent, and has a much better pedigree that your Brad Lambs, BVBs, etc that have been signed before by this club.

Are we over-rating or under-rating him? Beats me. If we are being honest - none of us know him well enough to guess.
But there is a track record of being able to sign meaningful NHL dmen in this way.

[serratedmuffin]

My post from original round 4:


Wolf. To compare to the lead stats compared to the other leagues last year, where I compare Wolf's stats compared to the highest numbers in the other leagues, not just the best goalie but whatever the highest stat in the league (min. 12 games played)

Wolf: 9 SO, 1.88 GAA, .935 SAV%

OHL: 5 SO, 2.40 GAA, .924SAV%

QMJHL: 6 SO, 2.25 GAA, .925SAV%

So if you took the best stats from each other league and put it into a goalie, they would still be worse than Wolf. There is something to be said for team play, scoring levels, etc, but there is nothing more Wolf could have done this year to prove himself. His ceiling is unlimited, but with goalies who knows if he gets there...but Wolf is the pick here.

[King Theo]

lol This will still be close. My vote just gave MacKey the 1 vote lead.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You obviously did not see much of that last Knights team he single handily dragged into the playoffs.

Which one? The one with Tkachuk-Dvorak-Marner- Juloevi? Or the next year with Cliff Pu-Robert Thomas- Evan Bouchard- Juloevi and young Connor McMichael?

He wasn't alone during either of those.