Could make a case for all of them. The two worst IMO are currently running away with the vote. I voted for The Cure, Rage, Radiohead, MC5 and Roxy Music.
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I have to admit, I didn't really know anything about Kraftwerk, but after researching them, it's hard not to argue that they were extremely influential.
It will never happen (the RRHF), but The Fugs were pretty damn influential despite never being huge and basically fading into obscurity now. But American punk rock was probably started with them.
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Ok, Def Leppard is getting ridiculously underrated here. They should be a slam dunk.
As one of the world's best-selling music artists, Def Leppard have sold more than 100 million records worldwide, and have two albums with RIAA diamond certification, Pyromania and Hysteria. They are one of only five rock bands with two original studio albums selling over 10 million copies in the U.S.
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Ok, Def Leppard is getting ridiculously underrated here. They should be a slam dunk.
As one of the world's best-selling music artists, Def Leppard have sold more than 100 million records worldwide, and have two albums with RIAA diamond certification, Pyromania and Hysteria. They are one of only five rock bands with two original studio albums selling over 10 million copies in the U.S.
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I decide not to get into what defines "rock"
it is what it is, so I go with their nominations.
what did Nicks really do outside of Mac, though?
not enough to even sniff the hall, in my opinion.
I can think of two songs of hers. that's it.
If you want to argue that her body of work outside of Mac isn't strong enough to get her in as a solo artist and she should only be entered as a band member, then I can't really argue against that (I don't know her solo stuff well). But her total body of work is more than enough and that's what I referred to.
I wouldn't nominate Def Leppard on the basis that I ####ing hate Def Leppard, if you could condense everything that sucked in the 80's into a single band, it would be DL. I had a room mate in college buy a DL greatest hits CD and he would make us listen to it just to make the point that DL is a horrible band. I typically try to avoid hating any music, as a rule, I try to make "It isn't for me" the worst thing I say about any musical act, but goddamn do I ever hate DL.
If you want to argue that her body of work outside of Mac isn't strong enough to get her in as a solo artist and she should only be entered as a band member, then I can't really argue against that (I don't know her solo stuff well). But her total body of work is more than enough and that's what I referred to.
I wouldn't nominate Def Leppard on the basis that I ####ing hate Def Leppard, if you could condense everything that sucked in the 80's into a single band, it would be DL. I had a room mate in college buy a DL greatest hits CD and he would make us listen to it just to make the point that DL is a horrible band. I typically try to avoid hating any music, as a rule, I try to make "It isn't for me" the worst thing I say about any musical act, but goddamn do I ever hate DL.
I hate them just as much and I'm English
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and their quality of music went downhill from there.
god they put out a lot of crap after that.
they made their money but sure sold out from their early days.
I think anything they recorded after rick allen lost his arm is rubbish.
and their quality of music went downhill from there.
god they put out a lot of crap after that.
they made their money but sure sold out from their early days.
I think anything they recorded after rick allen lost his arm is rubbish.
Who cares about their stuff after. High 'n' Dry and Pyromania are masterpieces and two of the best albums released in the 80's. Throw in the massive commercial success of Hysteria and they are by far the most accomplished rock band on this list. It's not even close.
Outside of Def Leppard even though I didn't listen to them as much at the time I grew to appreciate The Cure. Radiohead is deserving as well IMO even if I consider them overrated. I like Rage Against the Machine but maybe too early for them. Some of these nominees are a joke for sure.
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Who cares about their stuff after. High 'n' Dry and Pyromania are masterpieces and two of the best albums released in the 80's. Throw in the massive commercial success of Hysteria and they are by far the most accomplished rock band on this list. It's not even close.
Outside of Def Leppard even though I didn't listen to them as much at the time I grew to appreciate The Cure. Radiohead is deserving as well IMO even if I consider them overrated. I like Rage Against the Machine but maybe too early for them. Some of these nominees are a joke for sure.
If they were being true to the idea of a rock hall of fame, I agree a lot of the nominees are a joke.
John Prine is a good example. I love the guy and he's a great songwriter, but a nominee for the rock hall of fame? no.
MC5 to me is a band that has a bigger reputation than is deserved. more hype and more of being political activists than a good band.
I'd put them in the garage band hall of fame. but then hey what do I know? I think Roxy Music is worthy and most people I know think they were a nothing band. more cited for their "influence" than actual accomplishments, juts like MC5.
Def Leppard = Mutt Lange, and he's terrible except for a few hooks here and there. Supposedly he did everything on Hysteria except lead vocals and solos.
The comments in this thread are the reason I think the RRHOF is a joke and I tend to ignore the nomination process.
How do you objectively choose who deserves to get in? Some here are saying record sales should matter (because the bands they like are popular) and some are saying influence is more important (because they like more obscure artists). It's all bull####. Just like what you like and don't worry if they get this contrived honour.
...How do you objectively choose who deserves to get in? ...
For the most part you can't do it completely objectively. But if the real purpose is commemoration of the rock'n'roll greatest figures, you can make better decisions collectively by hearing from qualified groups:
weighted vote from rock'n'roll journalists;
plus, weighted vote from rock'n'roll musicians;
plus, weighted vote from fans.
The above should yield a good and reasonably justified result.
In fact, this is ALMOST what Grammy is doing for the Lifetime Achievement Award for any musician (no fan vote though). RRHOF's process is exactly opposite to objective - it's a privately controlled organization, where decisions are made by a very small group of people.
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For the most part you can't do it completely objectively. But if the real purpose is commemoration of the rock'n'roll greatest figures, you can make better decisions collectively by hearing from qualified groups:
weighted vote from rock'n'roll journalists;
plus, weighted vote from rock'n'roll musicians;
plus, weighted vote from fans.
The above should yield a good and reasonably justified result.
In fact, this is ALMOST what Grammy is doing for the Lifetime Achievement Award for any musician (no fan vote though). RRHOF's process is exactly opposite to objective - it's a privately controlled organization, where decisions are made by a very small group of people.
Yeah, it should be called Jann Wenner's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. It's crazy to me that anyone gives it any credibility.
Yeah, it should be called Jann Wenner's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. It's crazy to me that anyone gives it any credibility.
True. But the concerts are great.
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Dave Matthews Band was robbed this year imo, they should at least be on the nomination list. Only band with 7 number 1 debuts in a row, one of the best touring bands of all time....rrhf is a joke
