Who Are You Voting For (2021 Edition)?

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

If Covid response is what swayed your vote, Trudeau didn't do anything anyways and let each province handle it the way they wanted to.

Yes, and our province handled it the worst. And O'Toole said some dumb things that reminded me a lot of Kenny.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by AFireInside

Except.... He provided money to provinces, cerb, etc..


The cons already said they would have given out more business tax cuts, and they likely end any programs they did put in place early, just like Alberta, and Saskatchewan tried to open early.

Yeah, not sure how anyone else would have handled it and we will never find out.

Cerb is a joke here in Ontario and a lot of people just don't want to work because of it. The Trudeau's have been great at giving away money. Everyone loves it, but then bitch about the tax hikes that are incoming.

[Ozy_Flame]

Albertans got more federal COVID support per capita than people in any other province, report says

Kenney also left the most money on the table from the feds, presumably because the UCP didn't want to be beholden to Liberal assistance.

The Feds were more than generous for Albertans during the pandemic IMO.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

If Covid response is what swayed your vote, Trudeau didn't do anything anyways and let each province handle it the way they wanted to.

Vaccine procurement, and economic responses like CERB, etc. were federal.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Vaccine procurement, and economic responses like CERB, etc. were federal.

Yes great points, and both handled very poorly.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Yes great points, and both handled very poorly.

Nah, they objectively did extremely well in procurement after a slow start, especially considering there was no domestic supply, and CERB was extremely popular and it and the loans saved a lot of small businesses. I suppose you'd rather have had Trump's minimal response for relief.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Yes great points, and both handled very poorly.

Now you're just trolling. Canada had one of the best vaccine procurement strategies and executions in the entire world.

If you're saying it was poor, you're measuring it against a standard that doesn't exist.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Nah, they objectively did extremely well in procurement after a slow start, especially considering there was no domestic supply, and CERB was extremely popular and it and the loans saved a lot of small businesses. I suppose you'd rather have had Trump's minimal response for relief.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Now you're just trolling. Canada had one of the best vaccine procurement strategies and executions in the entire world.

If you're saying it was poor, you're measuring it against a standard that doesn't exist.

I love the "well he did better than Trump" argument. So weak.

Do we just forget how much tax payer money that was wasted on Astra Zeneca (which they knew wasn't approved at the time)? Or do we just let that slide in the "oopsie" column?

edit: I'll agree that CERB did a lot of good, but it (like most things) is being abused by able workers.

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[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Yes great points, and both handled very poorly.

Well that is a laughably misinformed opinion.

Why would you say Vaccine acquisition was mishandled? After some early hiccups from lack of vaccine capacity (harper's fault) Canada was a global leader in vaccine availability and uptake. Supply issues were in the rear view mirror by May. Precious few countries were "ahead": Israel, the United States, the UK, Germany, and a host of small wealthy nations like luxemburg. Canada's vast spread out population means logistics issues behind distribution make the gap between our performance on initial acquisition against many of these immaterial.
In the end, Canada was massively successful compared to peers in offering vaccine selection and widespread acceptance.

CERB- CERB kept an enormous amount of people from being destitute during the most challenging economic period of our lives. It was simpler and seemingly more impactful for individuals than programs in comparable countries. Again, I would love to hear your rationale for this opinion.

[Monahammer]

MOD EDIT: No insults please.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I love the "well he did better than Trump" argument. So weak.

Do we just forget how much tax payer money that was wasted on Astra Zeneca (which they knew wasn't approved at the time)? Or do we just let that slide in the "oopsie" column?

edit: I'll agree that CERB did a lot of good, but it (like most things) is being abused by able workers.

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There’s nothing strong about your arguments, so I wouldn’t go acting like you’ve got one.

And yeah, sorry, what happened with Astra Zeneca was pretty inconsequential to any reasonable person without some lame political bone to pick. It’s completely unreasonable to look at the vaccine procurement and rollout as anything but a success, and calling it “poor” just makes you look stupid, honestly.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I love the "well he did better than Trump" argument. So weak.

Do we just forget how much tax payer money that was wasted on Astra Zeneca (which they knew wasn't approved at the time)? Or do we just let that slide in the "oopsie" column?

edit: I'll agree that CERB did a lot of good, but it (like most things) is being abused by able workers.

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We probably should have wasted more are Astrazenica. Investing in failed vaccines was the definition of success for the procurement Process. If we only invested in the successful ones that would suggest we took an extremely high risk bet on unproven technology.

Do that and you end up like Australia.

Essentially we finished 4th in the G20 for vaccine procurement and delivery. Only the US, UK, and Israel beat us. This was because we had good access to all 3 early successful candidates whereas Europe Lagged behind on AZ. We were faster than Germany.

Even betting on a partnership with China was likely a good idea to try to get another option on the table.