2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

We will then start the youth movement.

What youth would they have for a youth movement? It's going to be ugly for a few years in the minors as the bodies just aren't going to be there to filter into the organization. That's what happens when you burn draft picks for guys that don't stick around.

[Major Major]

Is there a team out there that would take the huberdeau contract for nothing in the offseason? His NMC kicks on July 1... Probably not but I am curious

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Is there a team out there that would take the huberdeau contract for nothing in the offseason? His NMC kicks on July 1... Probably not but I am curious

Maybe Montreal for Andersen+Dvroak?
Maybe Vancouver for Miller?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

What youth would they have for a youth movement? It's going to be ugly for a few years in the minors as the bodies just aren't going to be there to filter into the organization. That's what happens when you burn draft picks for guys that don't stick around.

Yep, and they should start working on correcting this right now.

The 2023 Draft is a good one. Harvest whatever you can - get as many picks as you can. We unfortunately are already starting with a deficit - we have no 3rd and no 5th, which is a bummer.

Go fill the chamber with bullets though. I don't care who they trade, I have zero attachment to these players and these coaches. Easily my least favourite Flames team I've ever paid attention to as an adult.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

This is not a rumor but more just a thought, in light of the Huberdeau news tonight.

Who says no:

Huberdeau + Kylington ($13M)

for

Miller + Garland ($12.95M)

Both Flames and Canucks move on from their big off season extensions. Canucks bank on Huberdeau and Pettersson being deadly together, and get a dman they desperately need.

Flames get two forwards that don't break the internal cap as much as Huberdeau does at $10.5M, actually kind of fixes some of the issues in the top 9.

Vancouver says no, Huberdeau has the same stats as Boeser in more games and they’re looking to move Boeser. You think they want a guy who’s fallen off a cliff points based on a wish that he “might” play well with Pettersen? Plus I think the Miller is a cancer has been blown way out of proportion, he wants to win, they aren’t winning, he’s frustrated by it. Huberdeau contract is unreadable until he starts putting up more points, nobody wants an 8 year 10.5m reclamation project

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Easily my least favourite Flames team I've ever paid attention to as an adult.

I feel the exact same way.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

What youth would they have for a youth movement? It's going to be ugly for a few years in the minors as the bodies just aren't going to be there to filter into the organization. That's what happens when you burn draft picks for guys that don't stick around.

Backlund, Toffoli, Tanev, Lindholm, Hanifin, Zadorov all up at the end of next season.

The easiest job an NHL GM can have is selling assets and those named above are all valuable. If the Flames want to acquire youth/draft capital, or critical mass as I believe you’ve termed it, the Flames might be the team best in the league in order to do so.

The question is, will they?

[Jiggy_12]

Flames could squeeze a ton of value out of buyers if we became sellers. We could put a huge fast track on a rebuild if we just strip it down.

Lindholm - probably two 1st round picks ++
Hanifin - 1st round pick +
Toffoli - 1st round pick
Tanev - 1st round pick +
Zadorov - 1st round pick
Mangiapane - 1st round pick +

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

What youth would they have for a youth movement? It's going to be ugly for a few years in the minors as the bodies just aren't going to be there to filter into the organization. That's what happens when you burn draft picks for guys that don't stick around.

Maybe you missed the dripping sarcasm but of course there will be no youth in the org. A world where you do this could jump start it

Feb/March 2023

Tanev for a 2023 1st and a prospect
Toffoli for a 2023 1st, a 2nd and a prospect/young NHL player
Ritchie for a 6th

Over the summer figure out what you want to do longterm with Lindholm, Hanifin, Backlund. Listen to offer for them at the deadline but only move them if you are blown away.

That would get you some youth though.

[Naitix]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

Flames could squeeze a ton of value out of buyers if we became sellers. We could put a huge fast track on a rebuild if we just strip it down.

Lindholm - probably two 1st round picks ++
Hanifin - 1st round pick +
Toffoli - 1st round pick
Tanev - 1st round pick +
Zadorov - 1st round pick
Mangiapane - 1st round pick +

I think someone like Tanev would return so much. If Flames just retain 1-2 million, I bet they could get an absolutel ransom.

[Jiggy_12]

Imagine not selling this year, in the best draft class in ages, when we have players with high value we can sell (with term).

And waiting for next season when they have expiring contracts and selling in a weaker draft year.

That’s what’s going to happen isn’t it?

I’ll be sick

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

Imagine not selling this year, in the best draft class in ages, when we have players with high value we can sell (with term).

And waiting for next season when they have expiring contracts and selling in a weaker draft year.

That’s what’s going to happen isn’t it?

I’ll be sick

Even worse, the have a decent year and end up with nothing to show again.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

Imagine not selling this year, in the best draft class in ages, when we have players with high value we can sell (with term).

And waiting for next season when they have expiring contracts and selling in a weaker draft year.

That’s what’s going to happen isn’t it?

I’ll be sick

It is the way.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

Imagine not selling this year, in the best draft class in ages, when we have players with high value we can sell (with term).

And waiting for next season when they have expiring contracts and selling in a weaker draft year.

That’s what’s going to happen isn’t it?

I’ll be sick

Yup... then ownership will sign BT long term. And don't forget we will probably sell the 1st for a rental.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Naitix

I think someone like Tanev would return so much. If Flames just retain 1-2 million, I bet they could get an absolutel ransom.

What about Backlund? I think he could get a 1st at the deadline.

[PepsiFree]

The Flames can move players, but guys like Lindholm, Backlund, and Tanev are the types of guys who you need on the team when you’re introducing young players to it.

Tossing our best players that are also great professionals out the door is a smart way to ensure that whatever picks you end up with lead us right back to mediocrity.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

Imagine not selling this year, in the best draft class in ages, when we have players with high value we can sell (with term).

And waiting for next season when they have expiring contracts and selling in a weaker draft year.

That’s what’s going to happen isn’t it?

I’ll be sick

A couple things
- teams that would acquire those players will have later picks. Once you get into the 20s this draft is more normal looking
- if the draft is better to that depth teams will be more likely to trade 2024 picks

Getting high quality 2023 1sts is going to be hard even if the team chose to sell

[Stuntman Mike]

At this point I'm all in for listening to offers on the names mentioned above - Lindholm, Hanifin, Toffoli, Tanev, Zadorov, Mangiapane, Ritchie...

I'd prioritize moving out Ritchie, Lucic and Lewis for pick and/or prospects. Then replace coaches beloved departed vets with prospects.

You can come back next year with a younger, re-tooled team, and hopefully with a coach willing to create a system for the players on his roster. Maybe Sutter, but probably not...

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

Flames could squeeze a ton of value out of buyers if we became sellers. We could put a huge fast track on a rebuild if we just strip it down.

Lindholm - probably two 1st round picks ++
Hanifin - 1st round pick +
Toffoli - 1st round pick
Tanev - 1st round pick +
Zadorov - 1st round pick
Mangiapane - 1st round pick +

I appreciate you enthusiasm but you don’t think the Flames would be able to acquire 7 first round picks, do you?

Are there no other teams, at all, that want first rounds picks either? Are the other 7 GM’s that eager to give up firsts?

It’s a market. There are only so many first’s available at one time and it’s unlikely any one team ends up with an additional two, let alone 5,6,or 7.

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

A couple things
- teams that would acquire those players will have later picks. Once you get into the 20s this draft is more normal looking
- if the draft is better to that depth teams will be more likely to trade 2024 picks

Getting high quality 2023 1sts is going to be hard even if the team chose to sell

That’s alright. We can still get on a fast track and start this rebuild now. Will still get more value for this players this year as they have some term left.

Trading just pure rentals next year will not only delay everything by a year, it will see less capital in return.

Now is the time