Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Fuzz]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1619089362553290755

Other demographic breakdowns if you click the tweet.

[psyang]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Do CBC and CTV spread misinformation?

Who gets to decide.

Sure, media sources may not provide 100% accurate coverage all the time. But surely some are better at it than others.

So who gets to decide? How about organizations like media bias fact check. They are transparent in their methodology of categorizing/rating media sources based on left/right bias and accuracy. Let's take a look at some media sources:

CTV: Least biased (centre), High factual reporting, High credibility
CBC: Left-Centre bias, High factual reporting, High credibility

True North: Right bias, Mixed factual reporting, Medium credibility
Rebel News: Right bias, Mixed factual reporting, Low credibility
Western Standard: Right bias, Mixed factual reporting, Medium credibility

So CTV/CBC have high credibility and mostly factual reporting, but those are the media sources that you don't trust?

Honestly, I'm proud Canada has a media source like CTV that is centric (unbiased) and highly factual.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Slava

Oh this should be good. What’s my agenda?



I actually do my best not to accuse people of anything, and that’s not really a fair shot. The thing is, this thread has a tendency to move pretty fast and I get tied up doing other things. Sometimes I just drop these things because it’s not worth dredging up a discussion from three pages ago. I flip through the new posts and think to myself “who cares if people think Smith is good on the radio?” and just drop it.

I was actually talking the “I know people are going to react this way because you’re all just like that” followed by a complete refusal to actually engage with the conversation you started and instead resorting to “wow what a surprise everyone is acting just like I said guess I’m done here!”

But I don’t know, maybe you do just vanish on stuff too, if you say so. Sometimes you could stand to just read a post before coming up with a nonsense reply like saying misinformation is part of talk radio and then saying “oh but that’s not what I was saying!” You say what you weren’t actually trying to say and blame others for you having said it so often it comes across like it’s on purpose. As I said though, I’ve had good conversations with you, I know you’re smart and have good opinions, so I don’t know why you play the dumb devil’s advocate sometimes unless it’s some shtick I’m not picking up on.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://twitter.com/user/status/1619089362553290755

Other demographic breakdowns if you click the tweet.

Apparently Alberta would be much better off if only women were allowed to vote.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by SebC

Apparently you, because you have provided literally zero evidence that the tweet in question is misinformation.

It's entirely plausible that a reckless disregard for safety with respects to immunization would be correlated with a reckless disregard for safety with respects to driving.

And if you actually read the study it has several disclaimers if this isnt causation and the study was a question of if these types of risk taking behaviours could be detected in other areas.

I think the study is interesting because while we attribute misinformation to the anti vax movement it possible that some people are just anti authority and poor judges of risk.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Slava doesn't troll but his agendas are pretty obvious in discussion.

I don’t think Slava has an agenda. He’s just the abandoned conservative voter. His perspective is very typical of many people in the province. Presenting a view point isn’t an agenda.

[Red Slinger]

^I agree. I run into so many people in this province that are intelligent, kind and thoughtful but the pro-conservative mentality is so ingrained in them that they can't look at most political issues with any semblance of rationality.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I was actually talking the “I know people are going to react this way because you’re all just like that” followed by a complete refusal to actually engage with the conversation you started and instead resorting to “wow what a surprise everyone is acting just like I said guess I’m done here!”

But I don’t know, maybe you do just vanish on stuff too, if you say so. Sometimes you could stand to just read a post before coming up with a nonsense reply like saying misinformation is part of talk radio and then saying “oh but that’s not what I was saying!” You say what you weren’t actually trying to say and blame others for you having said it so often it comes across like it’s on purpose. As I said though, I’ve had good conversations with you, I know you’re smart and have good opinions, so I don’t know why you play the dumb devil’s advocate sometimes unless it’s some shtick I’m not picking up on.

I think that scenario was about a different topic? I can’t remember the specifics, but I thought that was a week ago or something?

And as far as saying that I know how people will react, it’s because I’ve read enough of the thread to know what’s coming. This thread is completely tribal.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by psyang

Sure, media sources may not provide 100% accurate coverage all the time. But surely some are better at it than others.

So who gets to decide? How about organizations like media bias fact check. They are transparent in their methodology of categorizing/rating media sources based on left/right bias and accuracy. Let's take a look at some media sources:

CTV: Least biased (centre), High factual reporting, High credibility
CBC: Left-Centre bias, High factual reporting, High credibility

True North: Right bias, Mixed factual reporting, Medium credibility
Rebel News: Right bias, Mixed factual reporting, Low credibility
Western Standard: Right bias, Mixed factual reporting, Medium credibility

So CTV/CBC have high credibility and mostly factual reporting, but those are the media sources that you don't trust?

Honestly, I'm proud Canada has a media source like CTV that is centric (unbiased) and highly factual.

I think your faith and pride in CTV is misplaced but to each there own.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1613338228668473350

[Slava]

Originally Posted by GGG

I don’t think Slava has an agenda. He’s just the abandoned conservative voter. His perspective is very typical of many people in the province. Presenting a view point isn’t an agenda.

Well, I’m an abandoned centrist. I know they don’t post in this thread, but the actual conservatives who know me have to be dying of laughter to see me branded as a conservative!

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by GGG

I don’t think Slava has an agenda. He’s just the abandoned conservative voter. His perspective is very typical of many people in the province. Presenting a view point isn’t an agenda.

If Smith wins I really hope the abandoned NDP voter has a place in the Province.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Yoho

If Smith wins I really hope the abandoned NDP voter has a place in the Province.

You don't really understand how anything works, do you?

[Bill Bumface]

I've never in my life bothered with the ignore feature, as I find this place does a decent enough job taking out the trash.

I don't want to hide from opinions and views that don't align with my own, in fact I greatly value being challenged on my own biases and echo chambers that I may encounter.

That said, I can't take this ####ing clown ruining this place any longer, and will reach for the ignore button for the first time. But mods, can we please seriously get real about this?

Just because a poster doesn't resort to personal attacks or foul language doesn't mean they aren't extremely damaging to the community and what this place is supposed to be. If you look up the definition of troll, this is it. I've seen about 50 attempts at generating discourse with Yoho in the last month. Zero have been taken up. There is no good faith here. This is someone getting stroking their tiny ego but yanking us all around, and we're just letting it happen.

Please make it stop.

[Yoho]

Read the last few pages that’s not discourse?

“I like to hear different view points to my own”

“Mods please ban him”

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Yoho

If Smith wins I really hope the abandoned NDP voter has a place in the Province.

You want a new left party because Notley moved to far to the Center? I suppose it would help vote splitting in Edmonton.

[Nancy]

Originally Posted by Yoho

I think your faith and pride in CTV is misplaced but to each there own.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1613338228668473350

This is the era we live in, where conservatives view science as "left wing".

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ves-explained/

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

I've never in my life bothered with the ignore feature, as I find this place does a decent enough job taking out the trash.

I don't want to hide from opinions and views that don't align with my own, in fact I greatly value being challenged on my own biases and echo chambers that I may encounter.

That said, I can't take this ####ing clown ruining this place any longer, and will reach for the ignore button for the first time. But mods, can we please seriously get real about this?

Just because a poster doesn't resort to personal attacks or foul language doesn't mean they aren't extremely damaging to the community and what this place is supposed to be. If you look up the definition of troll, this is it. I've seen about 50 attempts at generating discourse with Yoho in the last month. Zero have been taken up. There is no good faith here. This is someone getting stroking their tiny ego but yanking us all around, and we're just letting it happen.

Please make it stop.

I have had him on ignore for weeks, but I still get the 'pleasure' of reading everything he posts since he's quoted all the time.

At this point, I just think of it as a failed intelligence test for the people who quote and respond to him.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Nancy

This is the era we live in, where conservatives view science as "left wing".

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ves-explained/

Would that mean your furnace and gas fireplace are equally harmful?

[Nancy]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Would that mean your furnace and gas fireplace are equally harmful?

No, it would not.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Would that mean your furnace and gas fireplace are equally harmful?

No, they are vented to the outside