2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours - Page 375 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

InternationalVillager · 12-05-2022, 02:20 PM

Boeser is a no brainer for the Flames. He’s elite. I think him and the Canucks have just mutually come to an end of the road. Kid needs a fresh start. He’s been through a lot. Can personally vouch for him through a connection of mine.

camm13 · 12-05-2022, 02:28 PM

Boeser is good, but I wouldn't call him elite. He's a younger, more expensive version of Toffoli. Both RW, extremely heavy footed skaters, both can snipe and are PP specialists. Boeser is also always injured. Toffoli is cheaper, and adds some defensive skills, which Boeser does not. We do not need basically two of the same players. Team is missing another puck distributor.

Icon · 12-05-2022, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Boeser is a no brainer for the Flames.

Meh. If we didn't have Toffoli, sure

Quote:

He’s elite.

Agree to disagree there, good player, sure, but I don't think he's drastically better than who we have.

midniteowl · 12-05-2022, 02:32 PM

Trade for Boeser? Why not just call up Phillips? It's free.

Bingo Jr. · 12-05-2022, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by traptor

I dont see how we make the cap work next season. Even with lucic coming off the books we are going to have to plug our roster with league mins to just barely be compliant. Bringing in Boeser would require moving 6m worth of cap next season

Here's an idea... elevate the young guys! Problem solved.

Toonage · 12-05-2022, 02:36 PM

My guess/hope is that they graduate Pelletier and/or Zary, Coronato forces his way onto the team and the Flames move Dube, Toffoli or both

(Thats assuming the Flames somehow swing a deal for Boeser)

Bleeding Red · 12-05-2022, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Trade for Boeser? Why not just call up Phillips? It's free.

- 5 inches
- 68 lbs
- 300 NHL GP

That costs.

Regardless of what anybody posts - Phillips is no JG. Clearly those that are paid to consider these things believe he is not the answer.

Monahammer · 12-05-2022, 03:00 PM

Why not both? If we are shaking up the lineup to add boeser seems like a good time for Phillips to find his way into the mix too.

Paulie Walnuts · 12-05-2022, 03:17 PM

One thing Huberdeau mentioned in his French interview is we are playing a slower game as opposed to Florida when he had a speedy winger in Duclair.

Speed and production should be the #1 thing we should target in a winger. Always thought they could try Mangiapane on the wing if Toffoli didn't work. I think you plug Toffoli on any line he will still produce.

N-E-B · 12-05-2022, 03:24 PM

His goal scoring is down this year but he still has 15 points in 19 games. I would take a chance on Boeser in a heartbeat. He's been a pretty consistent 45-55 point guy, likely more if he weren't injured so frequently.

I think this is a guy that is being pushed out in Vancouver, and we are absolutely dying for a top-6 RW right now. He may not be amazing, but I think a change of scenery can do wonders for him.

FlamesAddiction · 12-05-2022, 04:07 PM

I like the idea of adding Boeser in theory, I just don't like what a potential deal would look like. It would have to see an almost equal amount salary going out and Vancouver isn't accepting a salary dump like Lucic.

It would be a costly trade I think.

Flamesfan05 · 12-05-2022, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Trade for Boeser? Why not just call up Phillips? It's free.

Sutter doesn’t think Phillips is NHL material

iggyloob12 · 12-05-2022, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I like the idea of adding Boeser in theory, I just don't like what a potential deal would look like. It would have to see an almost equal amount salary going out and Vancouver isn't accepting a salary dump like Lucic.

I still don't know if I'm sold on the player but for Vancouver, this is a trade to free up cap space. To move a $6-million-plus player in a capped out league, I think they're going to have to take something back, whether for a year or two. Lucic, provided he agrees to move, could be very attractive because he comes off the books after this year and is paid little in actual cash. But as others have noted, Flames would likely have to move out more cash beyond this year.

Buzzard · 12-05-2022, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaper

If the Flames were to trade a player on leave for family reasons then they would deserve every character of bad press levied against them.

They'd have to inform Kylington by skype for it to make sense.

Bonded · 12-05-2022, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzzard

They'd have to inform Kylington by skype for it to make sense.

Nah. Let him find out from twitter

midniteowl · 12-05-2022, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

- 5 inches
- 68 lbs
- 300 NHL GP

That costs.

Regardless of what anybody posts - Phillips is no JG. Clearly those that are paid to consider these things believe he is not the answer.

Boeser is no JG neither. And he hasn't been good the past 2 seasons. His team doesn't think he is good enough with sizable cap hit that's why he is on the market. Why do we want to give up asset for him?

Tbull8 · 12-05-2022, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

One thing Huberdeau mentioned in his French interview is we are playing a slower game as opposed to Florida when he had a speedy winger in Duclair.

Speed and production should be the #1 thing we should target in a winger. Always thought they could try Mangiapane on the wing if Toffoli didn't work. I think you plug Toffoli on any line he will still produce.

Speed you say? Shifty speed? if only we had a skilled player like that

InternationalVillager · 12-05-2022, 07:10 PM

For those comparing Boeser to Toffoli, I get the comparison but the production is completely different.

Boeser is a 65 point player with a rough upside to hit 70-75 points.
Toffoli is a 50 point player with a rough upside to hit 60-65 points.

One's average production is the other's ceiling with optimal ice time/situation.

Boeser excels on the PP with his shooting ability and has proven this in his career. Toffoli has never been known for his PP ability.

Boeser is 25. Toffoli is 30.

On the surface, one might make comparisons between the two but there is one which is clearly the better player on average and a much higher ceiling with room to grow in the coming years given a fresh start might be all he needs. There's lots to like and it makes sense that the Flames are inquiring. I think there would be a few teams making calls. Whether or not they can make the transaction work is a separate story but I would think Boeser is a wanted commodity in the NHL.

In terms of contract at $6.65M, I think he's paid right in line with what a player of his caliber/age/contract status should earn. Slightly maybe $300-$500K more perhaps.

Jay Random · 12-05-2022, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Boeser is a 65 point player with a rough upside to hit 70-75 points.
Toffoli is a 50 point player with a rough upside to hit 60-65 points.

Boeser's career high is 56 points. Because of his frequent injuries, he has never played more than 71 games in a season. This matters.

Calling Boeser a 65-point player isn't just a stretch; it's a full-grown lie.

InternationalVillager · 12-05-2022, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Boeser's career high is 56 points. Because of his frequent injuries, he has never played more than 71 games in a season. This matters.

Calling Boeser a 65-point player isn't just a stretch; it's a full-grown lie.

Stats per game matter.

Whether or not he has the ability to play a full season is a different conversation.

Malkin hasn't played a full season since 2008-09. Not calling him a point per game player (++) would be quite incorrect as he has 1170 points over 1006 games = 1.16 pts/game = 95 point player.