11-23-2021, 11:03 AM
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#41
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by timbit
IMO, he was the 6th best D.
By a fair margin.
Not surprised at all.
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Well as a 6th d man he should probably be the 6th best d man.
Zadorov was the 6th best d man multiple games and is still playing so not sure that matters.
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11-23-2021, 11:04 AM
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#42
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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I do think it's always tough to scratch a guy when playing his old team for the first time, could be a reason Zadorov gets back in too.
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11-23-2021, 11:04 AM
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#43
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
This analysis is just not up to standard.
I am surprised though, I thought Sutter would take a couple more games to evaluate Valimaki. Maybe it’s a kick for the team to avoid the trap game malaise. Or maybe he thinks Zadorov will turn in a good performance against his previous team.
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Yeah, I think it is about the former team. Also, Sutter is probably worried about the 'first game after a road trip' as well, and thinks (correctly) that Zadorov is the more stable choice for this situation.
Valimaki wasn't good last game. But it was his first game after a lengthy dry spell, and he wasn't terrible either, so it's unlikely that Sutter would judge him harshly for it.
I expect we see more of Valimaki this weekend.
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11-23-2021, 11:05 AM
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#44
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
I do think it's always tough to scratch a guy when playing his old team for the first time, could be a reason Zadorov gets back in too.
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He's only 26 and has 3 previous teams so really don't think that matters all that much. Maybe against Colorado.
Especially since he didn't play for the Hawks much.
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11-23-2021, 11:06 AM
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#45
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
This analysis is just not up to standard.
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It's not analysis at all.
It was a response to timbit's comment on "winning" being paramount, and therefore Zadorov in should be the preferred option.
It's a simple fact that we're won more with Zadorov out than with Zadorov in. So it's valid to feel annoyed at Zadorov being in the lineup.
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11-23-2021, 11:06 AM
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#46
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No issues with valimaki being sat. He hasn't looked all that great, and zadorov has been fine as the 6th dman.
Really hoping to see the flames continue their road prowess at home. The fans in the dome deserve it. Hope the crowd really shows the team their appreciation tonight by being a loud bunch.
Go flames go!
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11-23-2021, 11:07 AM
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#47
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Knightslayer
He's only 26 and has 3 previous teams so really don't think that matters all that much.
Especially since he didn't play for the Hawks much.
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It matters to the players though.
You always have a bit of an extra jump when playing an old team that traded you away. Especially since contract negotiations there seemed to turn a little sour.
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11-23-2021, 11:09 AM
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#48
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
It matters to the players though.
You always have a bit of an extra jump when playing an old team that traded you away. Especially since contract negotiations there seemed to turn a little sour.
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I think it matters for forwards more but for a supposed defensive defenceman? Really think that is a poor excuse to play Zadorov if that's the reason.
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11-23-2021, 11:09 AM
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#49
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Moscow
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Quote:
Originally Posted by thefoss1957
I have the night off from the hospital, and am looking forward to hanging in the GT with my friends here at CP.
My guys have been playing a little better since firing Colliton, but, StanBo had left an extremely flawed roster. Him getting fired for covering up a team shame was just, but, the guy should have been fired long ago for crappy roster building, even without the Beach, et.al. revelations.
Fleury has settled in some, but, the 'Hawk D is still one of the worst in the league in allowing high danger chances. Murphy, Gustafsson, and S. Jones are flat out liabilities on D. DeHaan is a plumber who can't skate, McCabe (and S. Jones) are turnover machines. C. Jones and Kalnyuk are fresh of IR and haven't settled into roles yet.
Offensively, we have but 3 guys going well. DeBrincat, Kane and Hagel. Dach and Kurahev work hard, but lack consistency. Ice cold and snakebit, Kubalik, Strome (fresh out of Colliton's doghouse) and Toews. Low line plumbers fill the rest of the forward spots, Carpenter is probably the best of them but has hands like a rock. The others, IMO, are only marginal as NHLers, R. Johnson, Hardman, Borgstrom, Entwistle would be ok AHLers but haven't impressed at the NHL level. Gaudette and Khaira get only limited minutes. T.Johnson has been on IR, but hadn't fit in yet.
King has gone 7 D often, with Kane and DeBrincat taking turns double shifting...would not surprise me if this was the case again.
Good luck to you and your guys...agree that this could be a "trap" game for the Flames, but, if you guys get an early score, the 'Hawks won't have enough firepower to come back.
I am confused about your squad, Bread Eater a top scorer? He sell his soul to the devil or something? He always seemed a flat out grinder to me, in passed years.
Catch you all in the GT.
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He is a grinder... an elite grinder.
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11-23-2021, 11:10 AM
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#50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Knightslayer
Well as a 6th d man he should probably be the 6th best d man.
Zadorov was the 6th best d man multiple games and is still playing so not sure that matters.
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It really does matter.
Apparently, Darryl thinks Zadorov is the better 6th D, at this point.
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11-23-2021, 11:12 AM
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#51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GranteedEV
It's not analysis at all.
It was a response to timbit's comment on "winning" being paramount, and therefore Zadorov in should be the preferred option.
It's a simple fact that we're won more with Zadorov out than with Zadorov in. So it's valid to feel annoyed at Zadorov being in the lineup.
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Timbit was talking about Sutter’s decisions being winning ones. Not some superficial “Zadorov’s in, we win” analysis. Zadorov hasn’t been the reason for any loss that I can think of.
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11-23-2021, 11:12 AM
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#52
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Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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I'm pulling for Valimaki as much as anyone, but Zadorov has been pretty solid.
Ranks on the Flames blueline
CA60 1st
SA60 2nd
xGA60 2nd
SCA60 1st
HDCA60 7th
He's doing what he's advertised to do defensively.
Offensively the splits between both players is pretty close. Really comes down to Valimaki ...
CA60 7th
SA60 7th
xGA60 7th
SCA60 8th
HDCA60 4th
... defending better to the point where his offence can help. Not sure you dress the offensive guy on the third pairing until he breaks even the defense.
But he'll need time, and one game isn't going to do it. Hopefully the former team angle is the explanation.
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11-23-2021, 11:15 AM
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#53
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by timbit
It really does matter.
Apparently, Darryl thinks Zadorov is the better 6th D, at this point.
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Yeah and on Sunday he thought Valimaki was.
Can't wait until Zadorov is in the KHL. One of the worst defenceman in the NHL. 26 and on his 4th team.
3 other franchises apparently didn't see him in their top 6.
Chicago who have 0 defensive depth didn't think he was worth signing.
I would trust 3 other franchises if you wanna go the appeal to authority route.
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11-23-2021, 11:16 AM
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#54
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bubbsy
No issues with valimaki being sat. He hasn't looked all that great, and zadorov has been fine as the 6th dman.
Really hoping to see the flames continue their road prowess at home. The fans in the dome deserve it. Hope the crowd really shows the team their appreciation tonight by being a loud bunch.
Go flames go!
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No issues with Valimaki sitting either. I'm actually mostly impressed with Zadorov and his stick work and defensive play...dunno why people think he sucks, hell he even provides offense with point shots that hit the net...
Valimaki is very underwhelming...even last game I noticed he'd be out of position and leaving a guy completely open post-side and he's turned around looking lost. Zadorov at least is good positionally and just plows right thru guys.
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11-23-2021, 11:18 AM
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#55
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Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
I'm pulling for Valimaki as much as anyone, but Zadorov has been pretty solid.
Ranks on the Flames blueline
CA60 1st
SA60 2nd
xGA60 2nd
SCA60 1st
HDCA60 7th
He's doing what he's advertised to do defensively.
Offensively the splits between both players is pretty close. Really comes down to Valimaki ...
CA60 7th
SA60 7th
xGA60 7th
SCA60 8th
HDCA60 4th
... defending better to the point where his offence can help. Not sure you dress the offensive guy on the third pairing until he breaks even the defense.
But he'll need time, and one game isn't going to do it. Hopefully the former team angle is the explanation.
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Valimaki has been poor this season. It is concerning that he potentially doesnt recognize it either.
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11-23-2021, 11:18 AM
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#56
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by Stanley
No issues with Valimaki sitting either. I'm actually mostly impressed with Zadorov and his stick work and defensive play...dunno why people think he sucks, hell he even provides offense with point shots that hit the net...
Valimaki is very underwhelming...even last game I noticed he'd be out of position and leaving a guy completely open post-side and he's turned around looking lost. Zadorov at least is good positionally and just plows right thru guys.
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Zadorov on Saturday lost his man and let a guy score post-side.
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11-23-2021, 11:19 AM
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#57
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Knightslayer
Yeah and on Sunday he thought Valimaki was.
Can't wait until Zadorov is in the KHL. One of the worst defenceman in the NHL. 26 and on his 4th team.
3 other franchises apparently didn't see him in their top 6.
Chicago who have 0 defensive depth didn't think he was worth signing.
I would trust 3 other franchises if you wanna go the appeal to authority route.
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So.....you trust 3 other franchises over our own? I'm confused lol
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11-23-2021, 11:20 AM
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#58
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Knightslayer
Yeah and on Sunday he thought Valimaki was.
Can't wait until Zadorov is in the KHL. One of the worst defenceman in the NHL. 26 and on his 4th team.
3 other franchises apparently didn't see him in their top 6.
Chicago who have 0 defensive depth didn't think he was worth signing.
I would trust 3 other franchises if you wanna go the appeal to authority route.
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LOL, yes, let’s go on the decision making prowess of the Chicago Blackhawks.
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11-23-2021, 11:20 AM
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#59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Knightslayer
Yeah and on Sunday he thought Valimaki was.
Can't wait until Zadorov is in the KHL. One of the worst defenceman in the NHL. 26 and on his 4th team.
3 other franchises apparently didn't see him in their top 6.
Chicago who have 0 defensive depth didn't think he was worth signing.
I would trust 3 other franchises if you wanna go the appeal to authority route.
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There we go...now you’re being honest. You don’t like and have never liked Zadorov.
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11-23-2021, 11:20 AM
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#60
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Knightslayer
Zadorov on Saturday lost his man and let a guy score post-side.
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Sutter blamed that goal on the center, who he said was too high
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