Who should Treliving target as a potential replacement for Mike Smith?

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I don't think anyone on here can accuse me of being a crazy optimist over the last decade. Well, maybe I am crazy, but I think with the 18 skaters up front and the style of play this team is a Cup contender this year, especially as the younger d-men get more acclimated. I just don't see it happening with any combination of goalies in our system. So, for me the question is more acute - I think if we fail to improve in net, we waste a "Cup" year.

Was just about to post a similar sentiment. I feel we have a legit chance to win it all. But not with smith. Or not with smith as the pure starter. I know we’re all tired of trading picks but I’d give up a first for a goalie easily. Because I believe we’re one goalie away.

[Poe969]

I'd do any combo of a first, brodie, janko and a d prospect for a legit #1 goalie

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Dell is possible but he’s a perfect backup behind Jones. Unless San Jose continues to falter, it’s pretty unlikely.

At some point San Jose is going to have to promote Bibeau or loose him, they're also in cap jail and could save $1.2m by trading Dell or if the want to sign Karlsson and sign the numerous RFA's they might even consider trading Jones.

Would be costly but Jones would look great back in the dome.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I'd do any combo of a first, brodie, janko and a d prospect for a legit #1 goalie

Me too, absolutely.

Originally Posted by direwolf

No kidding. It's only been 7 games FFS, and the Flames are currently off to one of their best starts that I can remember. And this is with a lot of new players, new coaching staff, new systems, and Smith not being at his best. I think people need to chill out and give them at least a few more games before we make any serious judgments about Smith or the team.

From my perspective, the team has looked pretty damn solid for the most part and they've held their own against one of the top elite teams in the league over two games vs the Preds, and looked dominant against a very good Bruins team. They also played a fantastic game against Colorado last weekend. Sure, there have been some defensive lapses, the PP has been uneven, and the goaltending has been somewhat shoddy. But I still have faith that these kinks will work themselves out sooner than later.

Smith will likely get the start again on Sunday against the Rangers. If he craps the bed, then maybe Peters gives Rittich a chance to take the ball and run with it for a few games. I thought he played very well in his previous start.

They have looked solid, in almost every aspect but goaltending. If we had Vasilevskiy, Gibson or Varlamov our record is probably 6-1, possibly 7-0. Maybe smith is just off to a slow start but losing points early in the season is the same as losing points late in the season. How long do you continue to let Smith struggle to find his game while picking up losses that could’ve otherwise been wins?

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

Those goalies also benefit from playing on much better teams than Smith has.



You really think all those goalies would've put up a GAA under 2.5 in Arizona for 5 years? Not a chance.



For Smith to even begin putting up the numbers those goalies have, first thing he needs is a better team in front of him.

2.50 GAA is a pretty loose standard, so yes, I think all 4 of those guys have better numbers than Smith had on those Phoenix teams. Hell, Arizona is currently last in the west but has goalies with a GAA of 2.03 and 1.97.

[David Struch]

Playin' around on CapFriendly,

To Calgary Flames:

Carey Price

To Montreal Canadiens:

TJ Brodie (or Stone)
Mike Smith (or Frolik)
2019 1st round pick
2020 1st round pick

Does Brad Treliving need to sweeten the pot with Andrew Mangiapane or Jon Gillies?

The Cap numbers work for this year and the following seasons...

2018-19

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Bennett - Ryan - Neal
Dube - Jankowski - Czarnik
Hathaway

Giordano - Hamonic
Hanifin - Andersson
Valimaki - Stone
Prout

Price (10.5)
Rittich

Salary Cap $79,500,000
Cap Hit $79,139,642
Bonuses $1,540,000
Cap Space $360,358

2019-20

Frolik & Stone moved:

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk (6.375) - Backlund - Foo
Bennett (2.5) - Ryan - Neal
Dube - Jankowski - Czarnik
Rychel

Giordano - Hamonic
Hanifin - Andersson
Valimaki - Kylington
Valiev

Price
Parsons

Salary Cap $82,000,000
Cap Hit $77,975,475
Bonuses $880,000
Cap Space $4,024,525

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Playin' around on CapFriendly,

To Calgary Flames:

Carey Price

To Montreal Canadiens:

TJ Brodie (or Stone)
Mike Smith (or Frolik)
2019 1st round pick
2020 1st round pick

Does Brad Treliving need to sweeten the pot with Andrew Mangiapane or Jon Gillies?

The Cap numbers work for this year and the following seasons...

2018-19

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Bennett - Ryan - Neal
Dube - Jankowski - Czarnik
Hathaway

Giordano - Hamonic
Hanifin - Andersson
Valimaki - Stone
Prout

Price (10.5)
Rittich

Salary Cap $79,500,000
Cap Hit $79,139,642
Bonuses $1,540,000
Cap Space $360,358

2019-20

Frolik & Stone moved:

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk (6.375) - Backlund - Foo
Bennett (2.5) - Ryan - Neal
Dube - Jankowski - Czarnik
Rychel

Giordano - Hamonic
Hanifin - Andersson
Valimaki - Kylington
Valiev

Price
Parsons

Salary Cap $82,000,000
Cap Hit $77,975,475
Bonuses $880,000
Cap Space $4,024,525

Horrendous trade for Calgary. Flames absolutely can not afford to give up a top 4 Dman and multiple first round picks to take on that brutal brutal contract.

[redforever]

Here is the problem, at least the way I see it.

There are 2 problems with defense right now, the turnovers and the goal tending.

I believe Peter will be able to clean up a lot of the problems with the breakdowns by both our defensive and offensive core. Not all of them as breakaways and breakdowns are part of hockey.

I don't believe Smith can clean up his problems in net. He is old, fading fast, past his prime. Every once in awhile he will have a stellar game but consistency is no longer the name of his game. Aging is a fact of life for anyone. We need a goalie who can pull out a stellar save a game, a goalie who the team knows will back them up when they let him down.

So if Peters can clean up some of the breakdowns, is Smith enough to get the team past mediocrity? I don't think so.

I would like to see Rittich get a good run of games, 5 to 10 good starts, and then go from there. Will Rittich be better than Smith and be able to hold the fort this year or do we need another starter ASAP?

[Strange Brew]

I'd pump the brakes on moving prime assets for a goalie during the season until there is more evidence an upgrade in net truly would move the needle.

28th in the league in high quality scoring chances against. Which goalie is going to be able to polish that turd?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I'd pump the brakes on moving prime assets for a goalie during the season until there is more evidence an upgrade in net truly would move the needle.

28th in the league in high quality scoring chances against. Which goalie is going to be able to polish that turd?

I would also look at the opponents the Flames have had so far

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I would also look at the opponents the Flames have had so far

So you're saying let's not make conclusions based on 7 games?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So you're saying let's not make conclusions based on 7 games?

yeah, seven games against some pretty good opponents. Vancouver is the only one I would call a weaker team and they are doing well so far even.

[Scroopy Noopers]

I’d do unspeakable things to see a signed Bobrovski with this lineup.

The young D look good and I think the Flames could afford to give up some D money to pay Bob.

Gives you the best goalie in the league (imo) in his prime, with the rest of the Flames core in their prime. All under contract.

[Vinny01]

I am okay with the Flames allocating roughly $6M of cap space to a goalie. Schneider could be on the block but has been a bandaids recently.

[DoubleK]

Why hasn't this turned into a Bennett thread yet?

[Poe969]

Its tough not to dream of Saros 8n net for the Flames...wow has good.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I’d do unspeakable things to see a signed Bobrovski with this lineup.

The young D look good and I think the Flames could afford to give up some D money to pay Bob.

Gives you the best goalie in the league (imo) in his prime, with the rest of the Flames core in their prime. All under contract.

Id love Bobrovsky as well but doubt he wants to come here and the contract will likely be crazy. Although I guess if you win a cup you can stomach a bad contract in the later years. Ok im on board.

[driveway]

Go sign Steve Mason. He's always had good underlying numbers, give him a shot.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I really don't understand blaming the goaltending coach.

It's quite simple.

If Sigalet was a goalie whisperer, he'd be getting accolades for developing prospects into legit starters and getting those "middling" goalies into the +.920 percentages.

Problem is, I don't believe there are any such goalies who have elevated their game or style under his tutelage. There's no track record of this.

Therefore, if the entire burden of performance is on the goalie or player, why bother keeping Sigalet on the payroll at all? There seems to be no benefit from what I've seen.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by direwolf

No kidding. It's only been 7 games FFS, and the Flames are currently off to one of their best starts that I can remember.

Same 4-3-0 start as last year...

[DazzlinDino]

Flames should be riding the hot goaltender, this would push them to compete and focus a bit more for the starters job.